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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by BobRyan, Dec 24, 2014.

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  1. Salty

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    Not according to this link - if it is incorrect, please provide a credible link
     
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    The point still stands, and unanswered from the beginning. I will repeat it:
     
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    An interesting example:
    http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra7.htm

    By OT standards she would be stoned to death.
     
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    Your link says "we are Christian Davidians; ....We are not affiliated with other Davidian associations, and we are not Branch Davidians."

    I have no idea who they are at your link.


    Here is a source/link some people may actually know about.


    Which has nothing to do with this thread.


    As for the real Davidians from which the Branch Davidians split - as noted in the article above...


    The actual group that split was known as "Shepherd's Rod" and I don't really know what they believe or how that changed to become then Davidians or what the fuss was that caused them to expel the Branch Davidians and also Vernon Wayne Howelll (aka Koresh).


    ================ so then back to the actual topic with a short note --

    1. Hint the Lutherans came out of the Catholic Church.

    Methodists came out of the Anglican Church which came out of the Catholic Church. How long will you blame the Catholics for every idea that Methodists have??

    And the Branch Davidians came out of the Davidian church. Which has nothing to do with this thread.

    2. If you have a single shred of a post on the actual topic of this thread - for me to respond to -- and I have not... then please point it out to us.

    3. Now is this your way of being too timid to endorse the "Baptist Confession of Faith" with its section 19 - a document endorsing all seven points listed in the OP. Timid perhaps because a couple of posters here are at war with all 7 of its points from section 19 and 22??

    Is that possible? Is that what we are seeing? really?

    I always thought of you as a "stand and be counted" sort of poster.
     
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    Everyone I have asked about the 7 point list and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" who chooses to be at war with it - admits to it quickly.

    So it may be safe to say that those who hedge and hesitate almost too timid to endorse, and not opposing Spurgeon and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" or "D.L. Moody" on this thread - are likely "supporters" . It may be that they prefer having an SDA support those first 6 points from the "Baptist Confession of Faith" -- I can hardly blame them given that there are some pretty good SDA Bible scholars.
     
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    Not the Confessions of Faith, not any of the scholars that you have listed are in favor of the SDA Sabbath. So the real question remains as has been asked previously:
     
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    There are several Baptist Confessions. Which one are you talking about. I clicked on Baptist Confessions in the OP and got some chat Forum with Bob Ryan doing the same thing he does on the BB: Quote his own posts over and over and over and ad infinitum!

    I will make this one comment Ryan. Baptist are a people of the Bible; not a cult like SDA. We have no tendency to follow the teachings of one person or group of persons as the SDA follow the author of 50,000 pages of new revelation supposedly given to Ms. White. You never did say whether she got it on Gold Leaves like Adam Smith or whether it was written in King James English!
     
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    Evidence please!

    It has everything to do with this thread. I noted earlier in post #255 that the claim of "new revelation" often initiates heresy and Koresh and Branch Davidian is an example of that. You cannot deny it!

    I did. You simply ignore it making bizarre and childish remarks about the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    I have already responded {post #267} to that nonsensical claim.

    I never make light of the significance of the single most important event in history, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, as you did!
     
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    Here we see the 7 point list affirmed

     
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    Here we see the claims made in the OP



     
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    here we see the ONLY links ever posted on this thread for the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

    If someone else has another document by that name with just as much recognition -- and section 19 reads differently - they have been silent about it.

     
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    If you google it you can find it -- or just look at my prior post. #271

    Which is just a re-post of -- #226
     
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    Are you asking for evidence of the Protestant Reformation and the origin of the Methodist and Lutheran churches??

    Really???

    questioning the protestant reformation flies as an argument for Baptists???

    I never would have guessed.

    Back to the actual topic...

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    There was nothing affirmed there. It is the same old copy and paste we have seen dozens of times now. It is the same document where Moody distances himself from the SDA. How ironical that you post it.
    This Congregational 19th century evangelist (1837-99) is not an authority for Baptists.
    But the real question remains:

     
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    <<<We're not the ones with the problem; you are.
    You have yet to show a single verse from the NT where it commands believers to keep the Sabbath. Not one verse Bob.>>>

    Oh yes, you -- DHK and the Baptists just like Bob Ryan and the SDAs -- are stuck with the same problem(s).

    First you and all Sundaydarians as well as Sabbatharians have yet to show a single verse from the New OR Old Testament where the Word of God speaks about the First Day of the week like “God _THUS_ concerning the Seventh Day spake”,
    namely, that God in Christ Jesus “ON THE SABBATH”, “finished all his works and RESTED” : “finished” and “rested”, “having RAISED Him from the dead”, “In the fullness of the Sabbath”.
    Which single fact underlies every mention of the Sabbath throughout all the Bible and constitutes the basis and essence and provides all SENSE for the Commandment of the Sabbath Day’s observance by the People of God everywhere and in every age as it is urged upon in all Scriptures ALIKE. In fact as God spake in “ALL the Scriptures concerning the Christ”!

    It is nothing exceptional; the Sabbath in every facet of believers’ life and labour and hope and trust and assurance is integral part of God’s WORD and their, LIFE.

    And last: You have yet to show a single verse from the NT or OT for that matter, where it commands believers to keep the First Day of the week. Not one verse, DHK! … NOT ONE!

     
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    Yes, he does. That is their religion's mandate.
    EGW declared that those who do not keep the sabbath but rather worship on Sunday instead have the Mark of the Beast!!!!!!!
    This is a very serious offense for them, and a very serious allegation against any Christian.
    What silliness. A ridiculous post.
    I don't believe that the Sabbath needs to be kept; there is no command for any believer to keep it.
    I don't believe that Sunday needs "to be kept"; there is no command for it either. It is tradition.

    The command is:
    1. "as oft as you gather." Therefore the command is to gather. It doesn't say when, where, what time, etc. That decision is all left up to each individual local church.

    2. The command is:
    "forsake not the assembling of yourselves together."
    We don't forsake the assembling of ourselves together. We do it regularly. There is no command anywhere in the Bible to gather together on a specific day, at a specific time, place, etc. Nothing at. all!!
    You allegations are absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    <<<We're not the ones with the problem; you are.
    You have yet to show a single verse from the NT where it commands believers to keep the Sabbath. Not one verse Bob.>>>

    Oh yes, you -- DHK and the Baptists just like Bob Ryan and the SDAs -- are stuck with the same problem(s).
    First you and all Sundaydarians as well as Sabbatharians have yet to show a single verse from the New OR Old Testament where the Word of God speaks about the First Day of the week like “God _THUS_ concerning the Seventh Day spake”,
    namely, that God in Christ Jesus “ON THE SABBATH”, “finished all his works and RESTED” : “finished” and “rested”, “having RAISED Him from the dead”, “In the fullness of the Sabbath”.
    Which single fact underlies every mention of the Sabbath throughout all the Bible and constitutes the basis and essence and provides all SENSE for the Commandment of the Sabbath Day’s observance by the People of God everywhere and in every age as it is urged upon in all Scriptures ALIKE. In fact as God spake in “ALL the Scriptures concerning the Christ”!
    It is nothing exceptional; the Sabbath in every facet of believers’ life and labour and hope and trust and assurance is integral part of God’s WORD and their, LIFE.
    And last: You have yet to show a single verse from the NT or OT for that matter, where it commands believers to keep the First Day of the week. Not one verse, DHK! … NOT ONE!

    “We see Jesus raised from the dead… crowned with glory and honour for the suffering of death… saying, I will declare Thy Name unto my BRETHREN: in the midst of the CHURCH will I sing praise unto Thee.
    “We see Jesus having raised from the dead… destroy him (the devil) that had the power of death.”
    “We see Jesus as rose He from the dead… that He might through death deliver THEM who through fear of death were subject to bondage.”
    “Again we see Jesus raised from the dead… saying, Behold, I and and the CHILDREN which God hath given Me.”
    “We see Jesus Himself having been raised up from the dead… has brought MANY SONS unto glory.”
    “We see Jesus brought again from the dead… for which cause He is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN”.

    Each time in the Scriptures that we see Jesus as on the Day of his Resurrection raised from the dead, we see his CHURCH in his Resurrection as on the Day of his Resurrection assembled together. We see Jesus in the day that the LORD sware unto them that He would bring them IN, on. “For God thus concerning the Seventh Day spake”, and “of no other day after, would speak again”.

    God never spoke such word concerning the First Day of the week or Sunday -- no, not ever, in which "WE SEE JESUS", "THUS", and His Church, “thus”, “IN HIM”.

     
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    I could not have wished for a more efficient 'reply'.

    Thanks DHK, it suffices above expectations.
     
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    O yes, <<it>>, does, <<say when, where, what time, etc.>>.

    <<It>> --- the whole of NEW Testament Sitz im Leben -- of New Testament CHURCH LIFE and circumstance and situation and AUTHORITY constituting <<it>>, unambiguously does <<say when, where, what time, etc.>>
    It does <<say when, where, what time, etc.>> the New Testament Church naturally, spontaneously and, transformed and reformed and NEWLY INSTITUTED BY CHRIST WITH HIS RESURRECTION as Church of CHRIST, would, and were obliged to <<assembl(e) yourselves together>>.
    There was no substitute ever for the DAY JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD ON : Which was and had to be : "ON THE SABBATH, on the Sabbath in fullness, in the very broad daylight OF THE SABBATH DAY mid-afternoon the Sabbath inclining towards [the start] of the First Day of the week." Matthew 28:1.

    If you want to tear Matthew 28:1 out of your Bible, you must, first, tear out all mention of the Sabbath before it. It will have to be all mention of the Sabbath in the GOSPELS as well, don't forget!

    Then will you have peace of mind, dear DHK. Not before.

    Meanwhile … “Let no one judge or condemn you with regard to your SABBATHS’ FEAST-OF-CHRIST” ASSEMBLING TOGETHER, “CHRIST being the ESSENCE of Sabbaths' Feast”. And while Christ is “the Nourishment ministered" and the CHURCH is "the Body of Christ’s Own holding to the Head (which is Christ)", it is "GROWING WITH THE GROWTH OF GOD”.




     
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    I am asking for evidence that I blame the Roman Catholics for every idea the Methodists have. Sp put up or retract your accusation!
     
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