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Unlimited Atonement

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Pastor_Bob, Sep 26, 2018.

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    Only those who are born of God accept Him. John 1:13 couldn’t be any clearer if John had tried.

    Free will does not exist. The whole human race became ensnared in sin when Adam fell.

    “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.”[Matthew 6:24]

    Jesus says no one can serve two MASTERS. So, the lost have Satan as their master. If one has a master, they are slaves. Slaves are not free.

    For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin.[Romans 6:5-7]

    The lost are slaves to sin. Only the Christ can free us from that slavery to Satan.


    Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.[Romans 6:16-18]

    The lost are slaves to sin, but thanks be to God, He frees them from Satan, sin and law of sin of death.[Romans 8:2]
     
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    ‘We’. The ‘we’ are believers. Only believers are saved from God’s wrath.
     
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    Did he violate the will of paul?
     
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    Right, I'm sure cals and non-cals alike would agree with this. Furthermore, this does not negate unlimited atonement in that God's Wrath was not removed from everyone, only for those who Believe.
     
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    No, Paul willingly called Him Lord ;)
     
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    Of course God will not violate free will. He will not violate something that does not exist. The will of the lost man is not free. It is in bondage to the law of sin and death. The will of the saved man is not free. It is bound to the law of New Life in Christ.

    Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
     
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    Dies God sent towards all sinners saving grace then?
     
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    But this is a warning/promise with no scriptural support saying it ever happened. “For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.” (1 John 5:4)
     
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    But the saved are not those categorized as disobedient in John 3:36, neither the vessels of wrath in Romans 9:22.
     
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    Who claims this?
     
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    yep,
    Here is another
    Jhn 3:36

    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrathof God abideth on him.
     
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    The bible.
     
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    I beat you to it in post # 41.

    Na na na na boo boo
     
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    How did they sin?
     
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    And all who believe willingly, and freely believe.
     
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    Jesus and Paul, for starters.
     
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    I did not communicate my thoughts clearly. I meant who claims that it is free. sorry about that.
     
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    I did not communicate my thoughts clearly. I meant who claims that it is free. sorry about that.
     
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    Pretty much every non-Calvinist avers the will is free.
     
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    Yes, but ONLY after God had regenerated him to be able to do that! The one who hated Jesus as a false messaih and killed off Christians did not jusdt decide to wake up and do that by Himself!
     
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