Regeneration happens at the same time as saving faith is given,

[kyredneck]

You mean this kind of fruit?

….this kind of fruit, the kind that includes the heart, the conscience, the thoughts; the kind of NATURE that only the heavenly born can have; the kinds of things not visible to the mortal eyes of fruit inspectors like youself:

5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 who will render to every man according to his works:
7 to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
10 but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:
13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

 

[Alan Gross]

"Regeneration happens at the same time as saving faith is given

If you guys were sincere you simply would have given us your testimony having first hand experienced it and simply say Yes it did or no it didn't.

I'm tellin'.

 

[MB]

Whatever my condition it's far better than the utter hatred of Sovereign Grace that YOU are consumed with.

This is not true I do not hate grace. I've received lot's of Grace. You have failed to express any truth in your insult. You say this because you don't believe you have to believe in order to be saved. In fact you have to believe to receive grace. No faith no grace.
MB

 

[Iconoclast]

"kyredneck,

….this kind of fruit, the kind that includes the heart, the conscience, the thoughts; the kind of NATURE that only the heavenly born can have; the kinds of things not visible to the mortal eyes of fruit inspectors like youself:

5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 who will render to every man according to his works:
7 to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
10 but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:
13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

Well no Kyred. This fine passage itself is a means of grace itself as it
describes the final judgment of God Himself.
The few verses I offered spoke of the visible kind that if we love our neighbors we can see the effects of the Spirit of God.
What does the verse mean when it says....you shall know them by their fruits?
How can that be if all fruit was invisible?

How can you love your brother if you ignore his conduct, and conversation?

We do not have judgment day knowledge to approach someone and inquire if everything is on track. Are they drifting? Is everything okay?
Galatians 6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Kyred, how do you fulfil the law of Christ here? How do you determine that a brother is "overtaken in a fault"? Is it by their fruits? let me know.

 

[Van]

This false doctrine, regeneration before faith (hidden as here by simultaneous action camouflage) is posted again and again. Regeneration is just another name for spiritual rebirth, or being born anew as a new creature.. Where does this occur? In Christ after God puts us in Christ. How are we chosen to be put in Christ. Through faith or based on God crediting our faith as righteousness. We start out spiritually dead, separated from God, but are made alive (regenerated) together with Christ.

No need for three pages of screed, copy and pasted from bogus arguments refuted again and again.

Rom 6:11
Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

2Co 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

To be regenerated is to be made alive (quickened) when God transfers us into Christ spiritually.

 

[Van]

The administration had been searching for a Testimony from an individual who professed to Elect themselves to Eternal Salvation [SNIP]

Adam Schiff must have ghost written this post. misrepresenting the views of others with endless fabrications.

Note the lack of quote marks for "then we have faith."

Was the scriptural view of how we put our faith toward Christ presented;. Nope.

Are we called [invited] through the gospel? Yes.
Must we be drawn by the Father? Yes
Must we believe in the Father to believe in the Son? Yes
Must we have heard and learned from the Father? Yes
Could we have "little" faith? Yes
Could we have "vain" faith? Yes
Would God instill bogus, questionable, little, rootless faith? Nope

 

[utilyan]

I'm tellin'.

Then its settled ANYONE who has not been born-again, stands the chance if they have faith.

Guess what the common Calvinist stance is? Its not your stance.

So is everyone who claims its at the same time going to stick to their guns or is your story going to change in face of peer pressure and comformity?

 

[Alan Gross]

Adam Schiff must have ghost written this post. misrepresenting the views of others with endless fabrications.

Note the lack of quote marks for "then we have faith."

Was the scriptural view of how we put our faith toward Christ presented;. Nope.

Are we called [invited] through the gospel? Yes.
Must we be drawn by the Father? Yes
Must we believe in the Father to believe in the Son? Yes
Must we have heard and learned from the Father? Yes
Could we have "little" faith? Yes
Could we have "vain" faith? Yes
Would God instill bogus, questionable, little, rootless faith? Nope

A Testimony showing cognizence, awareness, Holy Spirit Wrought Conviction, remorse, Repentance, knowledge, perception, ownership, etc., of a Reality, in The Realm of The Spirit of God, that is nessasary to be Saved from, is able to be noticed within certain instances of Professions of Faith.

 

[Alan Gross]

Then its settled ANYONE who has not been born-again, stands the chance if they have faith.

Guess what the common Calvinist stance is? Its not your stance.

So is everyone who claims its at the same time going to stick to their guns or is your story going to change in face of peer pressure and comformity?

Say something, if you would like.

Anything, in particular.

 

[Van]

A Testimony showing cognizance, awareness, Holy Spirit Wrought Conviction, remorse, Repentance, knowledge, perception, ownership, etc., of a Reality, in The Realm of The Spirit of God, that is necessary to be Saved from, is able to be noticed within certain instances of Professions of Faith.

More nonsense, more gibberish. God instilled faith would be already righteous, therefore would not need to be credited as righteousness. Instilled faith would not be vain faith. Instilled faith would not be little faith. Instilled faith would not be rootless faith. Therefore the only possible conclusion is that "instilled faith" is not the faith described in scripture. Pay no attention to all these fictions from the fabricators of deflection.

When you enter a room through a door, you pass through the door before you gain entrance to the room. Therefore since we are saved by grace through faith, we had our faith before we gained access to the "room" of gracious salvation. It is a lock.

 

[Alan Gross]

More nonsense, more gibberish. God instilled faith would be already righteous, therefore would not need to be credited as righteousness. Instilled faith would not be vain faith. Instilled faith would not be little faith. Instilled faith would not be rootless faith. Therefore the only possible conclusion is that "instilled faith" is not the faith described in scripture. Pay no attention to all these fictions from the fabricators of deflection.

When you enter a room through a door, you pass through the door before you gain entrance to the room. Therefore since we are saved by grace through faith, we had our faith before we gained access to the "room" of gracious salvation. It is a lock.

I am looking for cognizance, awareness, Holy Spirit Wrought Conviction, remorse, Repentance, knowledge, perception, ownership, etc., of a Reality, in The Realm of The Spirit of God, that is necessary to be Saved from, that is noticed within certain instances of Professions of Faith.

Thanks anyway.

 

[utilyan]

Acts 10

1Now there was a man at Caesarea named Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian cohort, 2a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually. 3About the ninth hour of the day he clearly saw in a vision an angel of God who had just come in and said to him, “Cornelius!” 4And fixing his gaze on him and being much alarmed, he said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said to him, “Your prayers and alms have ascended as a memorial before God.

Here we have UNREGENERATE Cornelius Seeking God. Remember Faith/Regeneration must happen simultaneously.

Cornelius does not have faith, has not heard the gospel, even mistakenly worships Peter.

God is SO pleased with UNREGENERATE Cornelius his prayers ascend as a memorial before God.


Lets hear how damage control fixes this.

 

[Alan Gross]

Acts 10

1Now there was a man at Caesarea named Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian cohort, 2a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually. 3About the ninth hour of the day he clearly saw in a vision an angel of God who had just come in and said to him, “Cornelius!” 4And fixing his gaze on him and being much alarmed, he said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said to him, “Your prayers and alms have ascended as a memorial before God.

Here we have UNREGENERATE Cornelius Seeking God. Remember Faith/Regeneration must happen simultaneously.

Cornelius does not have faith, has not heard the gospel, even mistakenly worships Peter.

God is SO pleased with UNREGENERATE Cornelius his prayers ascend as a memorial before God.


Lets hear how damage control fixes this.

He wasn't unregenerate, but at least you know the word. It means something.

 

[utilyan]

He wasn't unregenerate, but at least you know the word. It means something.

He was born again before hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ? Regenerated = Born again?

He had faith in Jesus Christ before he knew Jesus and heard the gospel?

 

[Alan Gross]

He was born again before hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ? Regenerated = Born again?

He had faith in Jesus Christ before he knew Jesus and heard the gospel?

Salvation takes place.

Salvation is from something.

 

[Van]

SNIP

Yet another regurgitated copy and paste absurdity.

 

[MB]

He wasn't unregenerate, but at least you know the word. It means something.

How can you say that Cornelius was regenerated before he even knew Christ. Sounds to me like your in denial of the truth. I've found that most Calvinist would rather believe false doctrine than admit they are wrong. This is really sad.
MB

 

[Alan Gross]

Yet another regurgitated copy and paste absurdity.

Talk about your sin.

 

[Alan Gross]

How can you say that Cornelius was regenerated before he even knew Christ. Sounds to me like your in denial of the truth. I've found that most Calvinist would rather believe false doctrine than admit they are wrong. This is really sad.
MB

There is a Spiritual Reality of Eternal Salvation.

Those who have no apparent grasp of making sense out of How God Saves lost souls never mention sin.

That's it.

 

[MB]

There is a Spiritual Reality of Eternal Salvation.

Those who have no apparent grasp of making sense out of How God Saves lost souls never mention sin.

That's it.

Well I do and I understand because I'm saved an have been for over 60 years. Actually your the one with no grasp or the sesne to understand it. You show you don't understand it in every post you put up..
MB