The Bible never says we will know all things. It says we will know as we are known. Therefore, we will not all things about ourselves, not all things.
If we knew all things, we would be omniscient like God. This is similar to the charismatic "manifest sons of God" teaching there are in these last days special prophets and apostles that will have powers similar to Christ, and be "sons of God" in a similar way to Him. Is this what you believe?
"These Manifest Sons of God, ones who have come into the full stature of Jesus Christ, would receive the Spirit without measure. They would be as Jesus was when he was on earth and would receive a number of divine gifts, including the ability to change their physical location, to speak any language through the Holy Spirit, and would be able to perform divine healings and other miracles. They would complete the work of God, restoring man's rightful position as was originally mandated in Genesis. By coming into the full stature of Christ, they would usher in his millenial reign. Extreme versions of this interpretation referred to Jesus as a "pattern" Son and applied "ye are gods" (Psalms 82:6) to this coming company of believers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Sons_of_God)
1 Cor. 12-14
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by awaken, Sep 3, 2012.
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We will know as we are known at Jesus coming, right? -
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Knowledge is eternal for God is omniscient.
Both the love of God and the omniscience of God are already eternally with God for the are a part of the very essence of God.
We don't need to speak supernaturally in any of the languages of this earth today.
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No, I do not believe we will be omniscient. We will be like Christ in his resurrection form. -
I thought we agreed that tongues in the Bible was languages? So why do we need different languages in heaven. We will know as we are known.
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Ignorance is such a harsh word! Maybe uninformed...:laugh: -
"What will cease is knowledge," is what you say.
If knowledge ceases we all become inanimate objects, lifeless beings, or what? The fact that we have life gives us the ability to have knowledge.
How can knowledge ever cease? If knowledge ceases so does life. -
The defintion of knowledge is a copy and paste! I just laid the facts down there. YOu can look it up yourself! I asked several post back what the difference was. Why did he say "Word of knowledge" in chapter 12 and in chapter 13 he just said knowledge.
If you continue to go on the Bible being that which is complete in chapter 13 (which I do agree it is complete). BUT...our knowledge is not complete about the Bible and it will not be until He returns! -
But the knowledge mentioned in 1Cor.13:8, revelatory knowledge has ceased already. It was only necessary as long as the canon of Scripture was not complete and then it was not needed any longer. So the gift ceased. It was a gift, a temporary gift. That which is in part shall be done away with, and it was. It was done away with when the completed word of God came. We have that which is complete--the Bible right now. We don't need those revelatory gifts, including the gift of revelatory knowledge, any more. It was temporary. The verse in no way refers to common knowledge, and cannot refer to common knowledge.
The gift of revelatory knowledge, words of knowledge, etc. have ceased.
We depend on the Word of God to direct us. It is all we need. The Lord speaks to us through his word.
Psalms 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. -
The knowledge...I am still looking into! -
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So if heaven is where we know as we are known...then that is when the gifts will cease according to 1 Cor. 13!! -
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THat is when the "that which is done in part" will cease! When we know as we are known. So by your own confession you just admitted that by saying "we will know as we are known when we are in heaven."
Now you need to read 1 Cor. 13 with that in mind...your own confession! -
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I see you ignored the fact of your own confession by pointing the finger that I vaunted myself up! Which I did not! I said I believe the Bible! -
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The Charismatic movement is so full of errors that I'd be foolish to learn from a Charismatic. I've been debating starting a thread listing those errors. You've now convinced me to do so. -
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