Jesus claimed that he died for His own sheep, not for the goats, correct?
1 Timothy 2:4 - "God wills ALL men to be saved"
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by ICHTHUS, Mar 23, 2017.
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"That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life"
Notice his own words, "he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life" Nothing LIMITED in this. -
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I'm sorry I initiated this (or at least moved it along) but in this case I wanted to defend my position against limited atonement.
If folks want to say that in my view I limit salvation to mankind that's OK.
I just can't fully accept the calvinistic view shorthand view of limited atonement acrostic "L" because of several verses which have been presented.
Neither am I satisfied with the calvinistic explanation behind the acrostic.
In a simple sentence: I distinguish between the propitiation of the sin of humankind and the justification of the individual human being.
Overall, IMO TULIP is a flawed acrostic, it doesn't give any explanations
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"T" Total depravity -
We are created in the image of God.
Is the image of God within us depraved?
Well then what does"Total" mean in the TULIP acrostic?
This is what happens when each of these elements is examined.
I do enjoy (or have enjoyed) reading the Institutes of the Christian Religion.
However it does quickly put me to sleep.
"U" unconditional election.
But there was a condition: The counsel of His own will.
Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
I don't mean to belabor this- just to explain what I mean with my opposition to some elements of calvinism.
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Somewhere in the archives this debate exists in total.
Gotta run errands...
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The atonement is "sufficient for all" (sufficient propitiation for all mankind) but efficient only for believers (the elect) (the individual human being).
Romans 9:18 So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires.
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2. Nor do I follow Augustine of Hippo, whom I also disagree with on many issues.
3. I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.
4. I do not object to truth. And please do not make the mistake of making such an accusation again. What I object to is people erecting straw man arguments and claiming they are "truth" and that they, alone, have the "truth" and all those who hold to a different Theology hold to "another gospel" and are blasphemers or "object to truth."
5. I am a Particular Baptist, as everyone who has been on this forum for more than a few days very well knows. Particular Baptists, the Historic Baptist Faith, believe in Particular Redemption. That Christ actually saved me by his finished work on the cross. He did not just make it possible for me to be saved, if I was willing to add something to His unfinished work on the cross. -
Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
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Dr T you are one of my favorites on BB. I bow to your gift of wisdom, understanding and knowledge (Doesn't necessarily mean I fully agree :) ).
HankD
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