67th Anniversary of "A Date That Will Live in Imfamy"

[ray Marshall]

Not off topic.

1. Why are the enemy forces considered less brave and heroic than American forces?

2. Why is stuff that other nations do to us evil but it is heroic when we do it to other nations?

3. Don't our owners encourage military patriotism so they will not run out of cannon fodder?

4. Since WW1 has any stinking rich family, Rominovs (sp?) excepted, lost money because of any war?

You have raised some interesting points. Does anyone want to challenge his views. I don't!

 

[annsni]

You have raised some interesting points. Does anyone want to challenge his views. I don't!

The topic, as I earlier showed, was the honor of those who gave their lives or limbs for our country in 1942. You people spit on their graves. You make me ill.

 

[ray Marshall]

The topic, as I earlier showed, was the honor of those who gave their lives or limbs for our country in 1942. You people spit on their graves. You make me ill.

I have in no way indicated anything unrespective to the great men that served their country fighting in ANY WAR for the sake of us citizens. I know of some that gave their lives doing a patriotic cause and don't put that kind of label on me. I guess you are so hung up on your glorious goody two shoes to label any remark which you feel is so dirty that you have got to throw an insult out.
By the way, WARS ARE PLANNED. They just don't happen. Many a soldier has lost his life through the means of someone elses gain. Do you won't to know when we should go to war, Hear a little lesson, WHEN THE POWER BOYS SEND THEIR SONS OFF TO WAR, then it is time that we can call it a real war. SHUSH!

 

[rbell]

You have raised some interesting points. Does anyone want to challenge his views. I don't!

I did.

Read my post earlier.

 

[rbell]

I have in no way indicated anything unrespective to the great men that served their country fighting in ANY WAR for the sake of us citizens. I know of some that gave their lives doing a patriotic cause and don't put that kind of label on me. I guess you are so hung up on your glorious goody two shoes to label any remark which you feel is so dirty that you have got to throw an insult out.
By the way, WARS ARE PLANNED. They just don't happen. Many a soldier has lost his life through the means of someone elses gain. Do you won't to know when we should go to war, Hear a little lesson, WHEN THE POWER BOYS SEND THEIR SONS OFF TO WAR, then it is time that we can call it a real war. SHUSH!

This post shows about as much ignorance to WW2 as one can show. You obviously know very little about the second world war. Perhaps you could read up before posting again on this issue.

IMO, you owe annsni an apology. Your post was neither gentlemanly nor becoming.

 

[annsni]

I have in no way indicated anything unrespective to the great men that served their country fighting in ANY WAR for the sake of us citizens. I know of some that gave their lives doing a patriotic cause and don't put that kind of label on me. I guess you are so hung up on your glorious goody two shoes to label any remark which you feel is so dirty that you have got to throw an insult out.
By the way, WARS ARE PLANNED. They just don't happen. Many a soldier has lost his life through the means of someone elses gain. Do you won't to know when we should go to war, Hear a little lesson, WHEN THE POWER BOYS SEND THEIR SONS OFF TO WAR, then it is time that we can call it a real war. SHUSH!

Then start your own thread. This is just like Westboro picketing military funerals, IMO. Just exactly like that.

 

[ray Marshall]

This post shows about as much ignorance to WW2 as one can show. You obviously know very little about the second world war. Perhaps you could read up before posting again on this issue.

IMO, you owe annsni an apology. Your post was neither gentlemanly nor becoming.

I have READ UP as you say. Probably read much more than you are indicating. I have read pro and negative on the subject or the British-american, Civil War, 11ww.Korea, and vetnam. Please follow up what happens after the dust has setteled. The greed rears it's ugly head after urban renewal. these places get a central banking system. How about that!! New factories , big electrical power centers Shipping ports. and on and on. Much better conditions than what they had before the wars. I guess you are saying, what does that do with war? Tell me about the Korean war and why we HAD to go to war with them? Korea hadn't harmed us in any way unless you won't to use the excuse that, "We was fighting Communism, to keep the whole world free from." Really! What about vietnam? tell me! Explaine it to me from the very start and make me a wise fool.
Our country drills us so much about Patriotism . teach me please. Just how much Patriotism does the government show by leaving some of the POW there.
WHY, and what is their excuse. John Kerry was sent to vetnam to drum up business, but he didn't try any agreement on getting our POW's back. This happened years ago before Kerry ran for pPresident, so don't use that excuse. I did subscribed to the Spotlight newspaper in the 80's (A group that was the watchdog over the happenings in Washington put out by Liberty Lobby., I kept some of the newspaper and recently found some articles concerning his trips
over there to get some trade started between them and the USA.

Use the excuse, "It's all about Partiotism, well you or I have never heard of a citizen going to Washington trying to convince them to go to war so that they can do their Patriotic duty. Never,never, happened in a thousand Blue moons. Funny how a war is started, they do the starting and we are bombarded about our patriotatic duty. They brain-wash and brain-wash until you think you have something to do with making America free, when in fact thet are using flesh to get what they have schemed in their own evil minds.
Patriotism is a great virtue. ABSOLUTELY, but just what is wrong with Washington???Ask them some of these questions and they will ignore you.
Why has Congress turned their backs on the ones that elect them?

 

[ray Marshall]

Then start your own thread. This is just like Westboro picketing military funerals, IMO. Just exactly like that.

I apologize for my rudeness, and meanwhile I am asking you to please educate me by all you mean about dying soldiers and why it is such a honor to die for something you would have rather not had not been involved in. in the first place.
Question: How much patriotism is Washington wanting to involve their own flesh and blood in? I am a good citizen, I think. There' s no shame in trying to THINK for yourself, and not listen to:

 

[ray Marshall]

Then start your own thread. This is just like Westboro picketing military funerals, IMO. Just exactly like that.

Are you brain-washed?

 

[rbell]

Ray,

Why are you bringing up Korea and Vietnam? This thread is about WW2 and Pearl Harbor. :tonofbricks: :tonofbricks: :tonofbricks:

 

[ray Marshall]

Ray,

Why are you bringing up Korea and Vietnam? This thread is about WW2 and Pearl Harbor. :tonofbricks: :tonofbricks: :tonofbricks:

Ah, never mind. You probably wouldn't understand.

 

[annsni]

I apologize for my rudeness, and meanwhile I am asking you to please educate me by all you mean about dying soldiers and why it is such a honor to die for something you would have rather not had not been involved in. in the first place.
Question: How much patriotism is Washington wanting to involve their own flesh and blood in? I am a good citizen, I think. There' s no shame in trying to THINK for yourself, and not listen to:

Listen - you can have all of your wonderful ideas about anything you want but this was a thread posted as a memorial to those who died on that December morning. Chat up all you want about whatever you want - on another thread. As I said, your posts here are just as disgusting and offensive as Phelps and his crew picketing soldier's funerals. It has nothing to do with that. Men died. Period. End of story. But instead of saying "I remember", you spit on their graves. Nice. Godly. What a testimony to those who are not believers about what Christians are like.

Are you brain-washed?

OH - absolutely. Completely. The government is 100% right don't you know that?

It honestly has nothing to do with my brother who came back from deployment on December 7. It has nothing to do with my father and father-in-law who fought in WW2. Nope - I'm just totally brain washed.

:BangHead:

 

[ray Marshall]

I thought the purpose of this thread was to remember those who gave their lives in service to our country and remember a day that scarred the hearts of the US citizens years ago.

I didn't think it was a thread to start spouting off on conspiracy theories.

I'm embarrassed by what has been posted here - on a thread to remember.

The ships in question were old ships like the Arizona and West Virginian and was a show for the american people. You are right. When the Japanese bomb Pearle Harbor ans sunk those ships + ships I can't remember the names of, it caused every American to won't to go to war on Japan,and I can't say that I blamed them. When President Kennedy was assinated, I surely do remember where I was and during that part of my life I was as dumb as a coal bucket.
We got into ww1 if I am correct after the passenger ship, lusitana was sunk, but Germany told Americans and English decent, and maybe others NOT TO SAIL ON THE LUCITANA.
I believe it was the KISER of Germany at that time. I can't recall for sure of my History lesson, not in the books of the schools in America. Our History has been changed for the good of England. You can find that spoken in congressman Lewis McFadden as he addressed Congress in some of his floor speeches. He challenged the power boys and he was shot at to kill him. He did die of I believe it was due to poison or a heart attack. Who wanted him dead???
It gets more interesting as it goes on.

 

[ray Marshall]

I thought the purpose of this thread was to remember those who gave their lives in service to our country and remember a day that scarred the hearts of the US citizens years ago.

I didn't think it was a thread to start spouting off on conspiracy theories.

I'm embarrassed by what has been posted here - on a thread to remember.

If you think all is "Conspiracy Theories" you should research in the Libruary of Congress and find some solid ground brought up in colgressional speeches in Congress. Not all are just Conspiracy theories.

 

[ray Marshall]

I agree that once we were tricked into the war that we had to fight it to the end.

I agree that the combatants were heroic.

I agree that we would have been in deep dodo if we had lost.

I have no argument with the observations in the OP.

Sometimes you gots to do something even if it is wrong.

There are all kinds of freedom. We lost our political freedom when Lincoln disregarded the principles of the Declaration of Independence. Now days all we do is vote for our favorite tax collector.

I am in agreement with you.

 

[annsni]

The ships in question were old ships like the Arizona and West Virginian and was a show for the american people. You are right. When the Japanese bomb Pearle Harbor ans sunk those ships + ships I can't remember the names of, it caused every American to won't to go to war on Japan,and I can't say that I blamed them. When President Kennedy was assinated, I surely do remember where I was and during that part of my life I was as dumb as a coal bucket.
We got into ww1 if I am correct after the passenger ship, lusitana was sunk, but Germany told Americans and English decent, and maybe others NOT TO SAIL ON THE LUCITANA.
I believe it was the KISER of Germany at that time. I can't recall for sure of my History lesson, not in the books of the schools in America. Our History has been changed for the good of England. You can find that spoken in congressman Lewis McFadden as he addressed Congress in some of his floor speeches. He challenged the power boys and he was shot at to kill him. He did die of I believe it was due to poison or a heart attack. Who wanted him dead???
It gets more interesting as it goes on.

BUT WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH A POST THAT IS A MEMORIAL TO THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES????? IT'S A REMEMBERANCE POST - NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY POST!!!!!! MAKE ANOTHER POST ABOUT ALL OF YOUR THEORIES. HAVE AT IT!!!!! BUT DON'T DESECRATE THE MEMORIES OF THE LOST ONES!!!!!!

 

[ray Marshall]

Amen.

Even though I'm way too young to have experienced anything from WW2, my father fought in the war. We had a church drama a few years ago at Christmas (actually we've done it twice) that was based on that Christmas in 1942. When they got to the point of announcing the attack on Pearl Harbor I swear it was as if we were there. I saw the play a total of 5 times and each time I cried when they got to that point. I can't imagine the horror and pain of what everyone felt at that time. Well, I can a little bit - because I'm in NY and remember 9/11 like it was yesterday. To lose that secure feeling we have here in the US......

My heart and mind will be with those families who lost a loved one that December morning. And my prayers are being said for our country that we never lose sight of the One who allows governments to rise and fall at the whisper of His voice.

Don't you mean christmas of 1941, not 42?

 

[ray Marshall]

This post shows about as much ignorance to WW2 as one can show. You obviously know very little about the second world war. Perhaps you could read up before posting again on this issue.

IMO, you owe annsni an apology. Your post was neither gentlemanly nor becoming.

Please excuse me of my total ignorance. I need your prayers and you need the practice.

 

[ray Marshall]

BUT WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH A POST THAT IS A MEMORIAL TO THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES????? IT'S A REMEMBERANCE POST - NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY POST!!!!!! MAKE ANOTHER POST ABOUT ALL OF YOUR THEORIES. HAVE AT IT!!!!! BUT DON'T DESECRATE THE MEMORIES OF THE LOST ONES!!!!!!

I shall now watch all of your post and correct you when you veer of of that particular thread, OK!

 

[annsni]

I shall now watch all of your post and correct you when you veer of of that particular thread, OK!

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