Agreed. :thumbsup:
If ye love Me, you will keep my commandments....John 14:15 & 15:10...
Are they doing this whilst they're beating their wives? Are they loving their wives as Christ does the church whilst beating the living snot out of their wives and/or cheating on them? What about the wedding vows they recite? Are they honoring their words as they beat and/or cheat on their spouses? Same can be said for the wives who cheat on their husbands, too.
Some on here are putting stipulations on God's forgiveness. Too much 'phariseeism' on here and in churches. The words in God's bible wasn't written to sinners....
A pastor’s qualifications:
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by stilllearning, Nov 18, 2014.
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I see these qualifications as God’s Word and to be followed to the letter.
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I see these qualifications as important, but other qualifications are equally important.
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I see these qualifications as old fashioned and needing to be ignored.
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I reject these qualifications as error and am waiting for an updated Bible.
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My parents agreed with me also. They weren't saved. A lot of the unsaved older generation agreed with me. (But then a lot of them didn't) :)
I have a ministry among the elderly and many of them think it is a shame when people get a divorce and that it shouldn't be. They don't believe in it. These are folk that either aren't saved or are from a completely different background than you or I. IOW, they certainly wouldn't be allowed to post in this forum. -
CONTEXT:
[FONT="]Matthew 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?[/FONT]
--Application: Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Are you one of those unsaved Pharisees tempting Christ to sin? That is the context.
[FONT="]Matthew 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,[/FONT]
[FONT="]Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?[/FONT]
--That has been the principle of marriage from the beginning. No divorce.
[FONT="]Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.[/FONT]
--Admonition #2: No divorce--God has put them together. What right does man have in tearing them apart by divorce? Answer: No right at all. God hates divorce! He always has. That is his message here.
Pharisaical hypocritical question, to test Christ:
[FONT="]Matthew 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?[/FONT]
Answer to the Pharisees, pertaining to Israel, not to fruit bearing Christians, not even to the unsaved public in general. This is to Israel.
[FONT="]Matthew 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.[/FONT]
--He allowed them because of the hardness of their heart, their constant complaining.
From the beginning it was not so.
--That is the third time he emphasizes that there is no divorce.
[FONT="]Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.[/FONT]
--Already explained. He is speaking to the Jews and to their custom of betrothal or engagement. Fornication is sex before marriage. Just as Joseph was going to "put away" Mary before they were married for the cause of fornication--during their betrothal period, so it was then.
Divorce was not permitted after marriage itself.
What God has joined together let no man put asunder.
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Ann said, concerning verse 24 of Matthew 1:
The account says:
[FONT="]Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.[/FONT]
--The phrase in verse 25, "knew her not" means he did not have any sexual relations whatsoever until after Christ was born.
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In the OT days, how were people married? I ask this in all sincerity. I can read of nowhere where they stood before an ordained authority and had a wedding ceremony like we do today. So, what type of ceremony was performed to marry them?
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and also in Boaz with Ruth.
In all of the above it involved a public ceremony, and in Boaz situation it was like a public contract that not only would he promise to marry Ruth but redeem her mother's property. There it is a picture of the Redeemer/kinsman. However the entire marriage still gives some indication of all that is involved.
How did a woman express her desire to marry a man? That answer is given, though strange it may be, it was the custom of the land and not as literal as it seems at first.
The wedding was very public and was "consummated" before they had relations with each other.
Likewise, both Leah and Rachel "were given" before any actual "relations" took place. These were very public ceremonies which involved the blessings of the people, in fact the entire community in some cases. -
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In the story of Ruth (how did a woman express her desire to marry a MAN?)
It's an interesting story.
Too many Rachels.
"Likewise both Leah and Rachel..." -
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That incident really has no bearing on what Jesus Christ said! Read it!
Matthew 19:9-12
9. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. -
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Matthew 19:9-12
9. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.[/b] -
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