Hello to all!
First let me commend the administrators on this fine site! From what I've seen so far, it's very well done, and the posts I've looked at seem well written by well meaning folks in general.
I've noticed that though most appeal to the Scriptures to explain their point of view (as one ought, and as I will attempt to do as well), there are numerous references to OT passages used to justify practices/teachings in the worship of the NT church (ie - Saturday or Sunday for worship).
While there are eternal principles found in the OT that certainly have application in the NT, shouldn't our Source of Authority for what we do and say be what was taught by Christ through His Apostles?
Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
To do something "in the name" of someone is to do it by their authority, isn't it?
A question of authority
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Watermaker, Nov 30, 2010.
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2 Timothy 3:16 tells us that ALL Scripture is inspired by God and is suitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness - not just the New Testament. We must look to ALL of Scripture for God's Word, not just the New Testament.
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I don't think the problem, at least not for most of us, is the authority of the Scriptures.
I think the big problem is how we rightly (or wrongly) divide the Word of Truth.
Some of us go on the Word, but with a measure of common sense.
Of course then when we claim common sense we get reminded that His Ways are not Our Ways and His thoughts are too high for us.
Yet, surely Children know their Father and His voice...
Even as Sheep we are expected to know Our Shepherds Voice...
And, there is The Character of God.
Which after a reasonable time walking with Jesus we should have at least a bit of a handle on. After all if we've seen the Son we've seen The Father.
All of these intermingle and can give one a headache if they insist on fully understanding it all. :)
And, the headache only gets worse when we try to act like we understand it all.
Not only that, but we give headaches to everyone else as well!
The most important thing I know about My father is that He loves me and His Discipline is as grievious to Him as it is to Me.
Of course many of you know how hard headed I can be...
But, He has the correct size 2x4 for every occaision! <vbg> -
I didn't think we allowed members of the church of Christ cult here?
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Spiritual mad man...
Matt Wade obviously believes that the Church of Christ is a cult, like the Mormons or Jehovahs Wittnesses.
Most christians dont view them that way, but rather a christian group with whom we have some dis-agreements.
We have several COC folks who have been posting on this board for years without any issues, such as Bob Ryan. -
Church of Christ are not Christians. They believe in a works based salvation. They believe you must be baptised for salvation.
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This is a very disturbing post. -
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THANK YOU!
You are 100% correct. Bob is indeed 7th day Adventist rather than COC. And the thing is...I knew that.
Somehow....I got confused. :tonofbricks:
And the sad thing is that people say the older we get, the more that will happen. :eek: :laugh:
I'm 54 now. I cant wait to see how much fun I'll be having 10 or 20 years from now! -
Zenas...
Matt said...
Water baptism is a "picture" of the new birth that has already happened. -
Requiring baptism for salvation certainly is a works based salvation. It can't be considered anything else. -
Acts 2:38
John 3:5
1 Peter 3:21
Acts 22:16
You can twist them; you can spin them; you can try to explain them away; you can even ignore them; but you can’t deny that they are sacred scripture. They say what they mean and they mean what they say, and for the life of me I can’t understand why people like you (no aspersions intended) harbor such hatred for the rock solid scriptural doctrine of baptismal regeneration. Nothing in scripture contradicts this. Nothing! I’m sorry so many of you have been brainwashed to believe this is merely a symbol of the new life of a Christian. Yes, it is that, but it’s so much more. Fortunately, all of you have been baptized so you are indeed born again, but I would be wary of telling someone it is not part of the plan of salvation because they may think it is optional. It is not.
As you can see, I’m passionate about this topic but I am very busy this week and don’t have time to debate. So you may have the last word because that is all I am going to say. -
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But I wouldn't, not in a million years, say that someone who feels otherwise is not a Christian.
Works-based is basically an accumulation of good deeds.
This is not works-based. -
You really need to remove the Baptist from your denomination. You are not a Baptist. Do you attend a Baptist church? If so, does your entire Baptist church believe that baptism is required for salvation? -
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Ultimately, though, it's not for me to judge.
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