This age, yes. What about in the OT? Sex was not limited to only wives, but concubines.
True, but we will still be male and female. Who thinks that Jesus did not have all of the features of a man?
Adam and Eve
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by webdog, May 11, 2006.
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Webdog,
You believe we will be flesh and blood for eternity? You contradict the Scripture in this case, it is not I who is taking the Scripture out of context.
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Okay...this thread has now degenerated into sheer garbage. Have fun. I'm done with it.
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I think I agree with doulous. It does sound more like mormonism than biblical Christianity. I think I will bow out before it gets completely ridiculous.
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webdog,
Sexual relations with a concubine was not ordained of God. Else Ishmael would have been Abraham's promised seed.
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Sexual relations outside of marriage is condemned, webdog.
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Having concubines was apparently part of the culture; same with slavery and other cultural baggage. This is still true in some parts of the world.
The fact that God clearly speaks against adultery, however, shows that he does not endorse having concubines. He apparently did not force anyone to abandon this practice for his own purposes, but he did not endorse it.
Jesus said there was no marriage in heaven, and if there is no marriage, there can be no sexual relations. Otherwise, we have a picture of heaven that is much like paganism.
Even though we will have our resurrected bodies, they will be transformed and not the way they are now, though they will be ours.
I am wondering if this is one reason Jesus did not marry -- since we are being transformed into his image, we also will not be married in heaven. Jesus is the ultimate role model and the picture of what we will be like, and he was/is single (though of course, marriage on earth is clearly God's design). -
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,
If God's plan was "perfect", then just what did God have in mind by allowing Adam/Eve to "pro-create" until the earth was full,
If Adam/Eve had not sinned, none of those "created" would have died, and they in turn would have "Multiplied".
In the 7 thousand years the world will exist it can't produce the number of people described in the scriptures, Half of all people that ever lived are alive today. (6 Billion=12 total)
Ge 13:16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
Ge 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Ge 32:12 And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.
Being made in "God's image", God created a "Son of God", Adam, (Man) and told him then to create more "sons of God", (multiply) however the gene pool became contaminated, so God had to create another "Son of God" to rescue the first,
But the point still remains, will the conditions on the New Earth pickup where they stopped on the old earth with sin, that is to multiply and replenish the earth, and for all eternity keep "increasing", and where no one dies, ever.
Ec 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be;
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Webdog, despite some being a bit overly critical of your questions, I would encourage you to go ahead and study this thing.
I am as equally intrigued by the fact that multiple wives were allowed in the Bible. Not that I intend to practice polygyny.
Could it be that a wife, besides the public ceremony involved, had distinct and separate privileges, culturally, from concubines, and therefore the difference in terms ?
And then we come to definitions.
A wife is someone who has been publicly presented as betrothed to a man, while a concubine...what ?
Is the one-wife only a Biblical principle, a commandment of God, or is it something that man developed according to the way man understood and interpreted the Scriptures.
If we say yes to this, then isn't God guilty of breaking His own law, and of being partial to national Israel in the matter of sin and judgment ?
If we say no, then why do we impose this ? Is this simply something that developed 'culturally' as time went on ?
Is there anything both Biblical and extra-Biblical that proves that monogamy has always been the rule and not the exception among God's people ?
Just plain honest questions.
If the one who answers cannot help but be sarcastic, or accusatory, or allude to the 'weirdness' of Primitive Baptists to whom I belong, then just shut up. -
Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
Sexual relations outside of marriage is condemned, webdog.
since the women are not married to David or Saul, then they were guilty of adultery.Click to expand... -
Originally posted by pinoybaptist:
Webdog, despite some being a bit overly critical of your questions, I would encourage you to go ahead and study this thing.
I am as equally intrigued by the fact that multiple wives were allowed in the Bible. Not that I intend to practice polygyny.
Could it be that a wife, besides the public ceremony involved, had distinct and separate privileges, culturally, from concubines, and therefore the difference in terms ?
And then we come to definitions.
A wife is someone who has been publicly presented as betrothed to a man, while a concubine...what ?
Is the one-wife only a Biblical principle, a commandment of God, or is it something that man developed according to the way man understood and interpreted the Scriptures.
If we say yes to this, then isn't God guilty of breaking His own law, and of being partial to national Israel in the matter of sin and judgment ?
If we say no, then why do we impose this ? Is this simply something that developed 'culturally' as time went on ?
Is there anything both Biblical and extra-Biblical that proves that monogamy has always been the rule and not the exception among God's people ?
Just plain honest questions.
If the one who answers cannot help but be sarcastic, or accusatory, or allude to the 'weirdness' of Primitive Baptists to whom I belong, then just shut up.Click to expand... -
Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
I don't see sex in heaven, for this reason...
In heaven there is no marrying, nor giving in marriage. We know sex outside of marriage is adultery, so it stands to reason there will be no sex in heaven.
Something else to consider...
The church, is the Bride of Christ. In Him, there is no male, no female. We will be one with Him.Click to expand...
Besides, didn't Jesus also say that we would be like the angels in heaven. How many here think that they have sex? None I hope.
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Mt. 22:30
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Jack, that is speaking about marriage, not procreation. If sex's ONLY purpose was procreation, why do husbands and wives have relations...when not trying to conceive? The Song of Solomon delvs deeper into intimate relationships between man and woman with no mention of procreation. It's not as simple as it seems.
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Hello Marcia.
Jesus said there was no marriage in heaven, and if there is no marriage, there can be no sexual relations. Otherwise, we have a picture of heaven that is much like paganism.Click to expand...
I have no stand on this, I think it is a good conversation.
I am wondering if this is one reason Jesus did not marry -- since we are being transformed into his image, we also will not be married in heaven.Click to expand...
The Song of Solomon delvs deeper into intimate relationships between man and woman with no mention of procreation. It's not as simple as it seems.Click to expand...
john.
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