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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by loDebar, Feb 26, 2018.

  1. loDebar

    loDebar Well-Known Member

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    But we can and do separate some things , as an egg. shell yoke white. We eat eggs but do not include shell. We buy eggs but do include shell.. This post says Adam became a living soul but Gen 2 7 does not call him a soul but a living being. He was already a "spiritual being" a soul. God created him. But we do not have a verse that says God makes souls at conception or anytime except God created all things . In other posts, Adam had or was a soul when he got here ,
     
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    I take it this was meant to indicate our soul or core attributes is part of our human spirit. I so I agree.
     
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    There is no Scripture that supports your claim Adam was already a living being prior to creation or became possessed by some soul following creation.
     
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    Yes there is a "mingling" of the two but I believe they are two distinct (but not separate) entities.
     
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    Right, we have to put it together logically. Gen 2" 7 does not say he became a living soul as we had been told. So where the body and soul together, We know a soul was created, as all things, but his body was formed not created. Where is my soul before birth if I am condemned already?
     
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    Yes I know that is you view, but can you point to anything that the soul or spirit does that the other does not also do. In other words, if there is no distinction why not conclude the two words express the same thing, our spiritual being. with the soul being the core attributes of our human spirit.
     
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    An animal that can “Live forever” | SiOWfa15: Science in Our World: Certainty and Controversy I can and do conclude that both soul and spirit are the immaterial parts of man but they are not one and the same because scripture itself makes a distinction:

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
     
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    They are not the same because they react to different stimuli , a picture of a loved one or perhaps a sunset stimulates the soul.
    A pun or puzzle stimulates or determining directions stimulates the spirit or mind
     
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    The fact that the word of God can penetrate and alter the very core of our spiritual being does not indicate two entities. If a sword penetrated our body, dividing asunder flesh and blood, would that indicate we are two entities, flesh and blood? Of course not.

    And since you did not indicate anything distinctive of the soul or spirit that is not also part of the other, perhaps the two part position has more merit than the three part view.
     
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    Nonetheless a distinction is made between soul and spirit also in:

    1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    Yes but the distinction does not say the spirit and soul are two different entities, only that they are parts of the whole. Our soul ((core attributes) is part of us and part of our human spirit. There is absolutely no support for the three entity view, just mistaken interpretation. Soul and spirit are used interchangeably in scripture, with no distinctive attributes. Imagine a human spirit without core attributes. Or a spiritless soul. You can't do it.
     
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    As I said before they are mingled or more perhaps as tea and sugar distinct entities commingled. I am not convinced by your rebuttal.

    They appear to be used interchangeably because they often function together to the same end.
     
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    Let me make a slight, ever so slight alteration, they appear to be used interchangeably because they always function together to the same end. :) There are no examples where our human spirit functions without its soul or core attributes. None, zip nada.
     
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    Yet no scripture He had a soul suggests WE decided it logically . He sinned therefore he had a soul. (Bodies do not sin.)

    As all people are condemned already (John 3:18) and since sin is not inherited nor Adam had an earthly father where did he get the "sin nature". ?

    Did God create us, put us here, knowing we would sin, just to saved some of us and send others to eternal judgement? NO. an insult to God,
     
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    Even if you back our sin up into heaven as pre-existant spirits you still have to ask the question where did we/he get the "sin nature"?

    You haven't answered that question and you can't.

    Advise FWIW stop questioning God. Romans 5:12 is the answer Adam brought sin and death into the world of humanity.
    We were in effect all there when Adam sinned. We sin. Live with the fact.

    Better yet, live with the central concept of Christianity
    John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
     
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    The willingness to disobey God is our free will created in us. When was the spiritual part created? The sin itself happened after we were created as spiritual beings but before physical creation .
    In Adams's case not when he became "living soul" .This is verified in 1 Cor 15:45, Romans 5 is showing as all men can be saved by the actions of one just as sin "entered" the physical world to the detriment of all.
    The Corinthians verse shows it was not spiritual for Adam but the physical or attitude to sin. He sinned because he was a sinner.

    We did decided it ignorantly based upon the combined usage on the word soul in Hebrew Gen 2:7 and ignoring the meaning of the words soul and spirit in 1 Cor 15:45
     
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    What other spiritual beings sinned?
     
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    The thread isn't for the purpose of impressing people, it is for the purpose of looking at an issue in a little more depth than people usually do.


    There have been a number of posts that go into detail in regards to the subject. Perhaps if you paid a little more attention it might become of interest to you.


    On the contrary, my position asserts that the modern, pulpit bred mythology of a tri-part being not only imposes a concept not found in Scripture (yet embraced by many, who also don't look at issues in detail), it wreaks havoc on proper interpretation.

    As I have said, this concept is the very reason why we have cults who teach Annihilation and Soul Sleep, and in general have a natural understanding of Scripture.


    Yet if we go into the elements of water...we see a much broader discussion which extends to Ice and steam.

    ;)

    And you are invited to look at the elements, rather than look at one form of a substance.


    I agree, so why do people separate the soul from the person? You preach against the opposing positions error, lol.


    God bless.
     
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    Okay, Hank, it seems you are satisfied with claiming victory, and offering a condescending attitude in a topic you have not even begun to support from your perspective.

    You do get extra credit for humor, though.

    Let me know if you ever come to a dedicated position on this and are able to teach why it is Scriptural.


    God bless.
     
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    As the old saying goes

    Don't hold yur breath! :Rolleyes
     
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