Ah, wrong! I was not taught this by anyone. I was taught this by simply doing proper exegesis of scripture and the hard work of rightly dividing the word of truth.
You better believe it is not and thank God you are not among our churches teaching this nonsense.
No, I do not. I blame mankind for their sin nature as they existed as one undivided human nature in one man just as Paul tells you over and over and over again in Romans 5:12-19. We are held accountable for our own personal sins as individuals.
All have sinned when Adam sinned - Rom. 5:12-19
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by The Biblicist, Feb 24, 2019.
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I made a mistake, earlier, I blame spellcheck. the position you support is NOT Baptist , it is taught by many,
It is also a trick of the devil for you not to accept responsibility for your actions. Are you solely responsible for you sins?
If you do not believe in personal responsibility you are NOT Baptist
I know of no churches that teaches we are the bad guys in the narrative -
The things you hold fast on are not Baptist.
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This type of personality is desirable as a machinist, mechanic, esp. airplane, Military or any job where knowing details are important -
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no you are not
Please explain this verse in reference to you claim of Romans
Jhn 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
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Jhn 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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Calvinism is the old doctrine of Catholicism. It has been wrong ever since Augustine thought it up. Your ridicule of me is appreciated. Christ said we would be hated because they hated Him. I consider your insults a blessing.
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And it's actually worse than that, because, quite frankly, Lazarus is a stinker (John 11:39). He in a bad odour with God; he's not only dead, but dead in trespasses and sins.
But when the Lord Jesus says, "Lazarus, come forth!" Forth he will come, and he won't be stinking any more. It's called monergism: the almighty power of God who alone can raise the dead, both physical and spiritual. -
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Let me try again. Do you believe in two comings of Christ? Do you believe that he came the first time as Savior? Do you believe that he comes the Second time is King of kings and Judge? If you don't believe these two things there is little value in talking to you about these texts.
Let me suppose you do believe in two comings for these two different reasons. So, his first coming he did not come as Judge but as Savior. Why come as Savior if man was not already condemned (Jn. 3:17) and needed salvation?
Do you believe man is born as a believer from birth or do you believe they come into this world in unbelief and need to be converted? Unbelief is a sin as much as lying is a sin. Jesus came to save sinners but you can't be a sinner unless you are condemned by the Law as a violator of the law as the violation of the law is sin. Do you believe the Law commanded men to love the Lord their God with all their heart and strength? Does an human come into this world in obedience to that? Or do they come into this world in unbelief.
We have provided you about ten clear scriptures that teach babies are subject to death from the womb and are sinners by nature from birth - thus "condemned already" as death is the condemnation for sin and one cannot be subject to death if they are not a sinner.
Did you read John 3:36? "the wrath abideth" - present tense. Wrath is God's response to sinners who violate his law. Unbelief is a violation of God's law.
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If a man is not judged yet how is he condemned already?
The Law does not even apply to you, It was given to the Israelite between Moses and Jesus -
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This is why Christ spoke in parables to those who were not His disciples. Christ spoke in parables to keep them from understanding.
Did Christ lie below;
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
If what you claim is true then why did Christ speak to them in parables. Christ told the disciples why. Now if they could not hear because they were dead as you claim Christ would not have spoke to them in parables to fulfill prophecy.
How do you explain this?
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Do me a favor, don't just react and start writing back to me. Read what I said carefully and think it through or you going to look aweful foolish.
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