An answer to the sinless day

That is ok, I know a good one already, He happens to be a presbyterian and of course a calvinist. You would not like him at all. I have visited his church and they have real wine for communion every sunday and his pastor like to discuss doctrine over a cold beer :)

 

I am, I beleve, about as far apart from some of the views of what His Blood Spoke My Name, and some others who have similar views could be, but that is not why I post this.

The "crack" of calling the poster "HBwhatever" is uncalled for IMO, especially after the admonition Dr. Bob gave, earlier in this thread.

Ed

 

The pastor, if he drinks wine, allows wine in the communion, allows the parishoners to drink alcohol beverages and likes to drink beer must not be reading the Word of God with an open heart to the truth about alcohol.

 

Quite the contrary.

 

Dale,

Post Scriptures to prove without a doubt that alcohol is allowed, instead of saying 'Quite the contrary'.

Quite the Contrary does not mean anything if God's Word is not give to back it up.

 

My apologies. I meant no disrespect but I'm a fast touch typist and it was easier to type that than HBSMN. I think you're being overly sensitive, though. I have people calling me nept all the time (inept?), and it doesn't bother me. From here out I'll just say hbs or something.

 

One question and one point for Blackbird, please.

1. Who or what is "Home Skillets"? I looked back some pages in this thread without finding a poster with that mooniker, but will fully admit I could have missed it.

2. Where does any verse in I John in context say anything about "repent of (sin)"? It says "confess it", as I read it. In fact, John (if the assumed author of the Gospel and the three epistles generally attributed to him, is actually John, since Scripture does not actully give a name in any of his supposed writings, save The Revelation) never uses the word "repent" in any form in either the Gospel or the three epistles. To attempt to 'write in" repent in this verse seems to be eisegesis, not exegesis, IMO.

Note: The above emboldenment is meant to highlight the two points, not to "raise my voice" via this.

Ed

 

The fact is, scripture calls wine wine, except when it uses the expression "given to wine", which means "drunken" (paroinos). The word when the context clearly means wine with alcohol is "oinos". The word where you want it to mean grape juice is "oinos".

You rationalize away the fact that it's the same word by saying that "oinos" can mean wine or grape juice, depending on the context.. Then you apply your personal opinion on the subject as the context. If it's okay to drink, then it must mean grape juice. If it's not okay (as in "much wine") then it must have alcohol.

The actual scriptural context OFTEN demands the interpretation wine. The context NEVER demands the interpretation grape juice. You make it mean grape juice because you don't want Jesus drinking wine.

You want to believe that, fine. Unlike you, I don't judge you one way or another. I don't think your salvation hinges on it one way or another. But you're never going to prove that the context demands grape juice except in your own mind.

 

:laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

Be careful about what you post or say. I am also balding, after Chemo. I just pray that all yours is 'genetic', not illness related. :1_grouphug:

Ed

 

I'm sorry to hear that! So far it's genetic. I'll pray you gain back a full head of hair along with your health. Not necessarily in that order. ;)

 

Not necessarily on topic, but good point, nonetheless.

Ed

 

As to the question "imported", albeit unspoken in the OP, to this thread of "Can one go 24 hours without sinning?" and given the response of some that it is possible, why not expand the time to 24 days, 24 weeks or 24 years? What is the time limit that is possible, given Scriptures that speak of our need to "confess our sins', etc.?

The question is not "Will one go 24 hours without sinning?" It would seem that some one should have an easy answer to this. :confused:

Why not 24 years? I fail to see what the difference would be.

Ed

 

Thank all of you, once again, for the prayers. I seem to be recovering, fairly well, according to what we know. The cancer was seemingly providentially caught very early, and clinically, I now show no signs of any, but it is still early in that.

Ed

 

Does the word "alcohol" ever occur in Scripture? Just wonderin'.

Ed

 

The word itself does not, Ed. But one cannot get drunk from drinking grape juice. The only wine one can get drunk on is fermented wine.

There is both fermented and unfermented wine in the Word of God. Context will show which.

That which is the poison of dragons is not that which makethe glad the hearts of men.

Two different wines

 

edited by poster.

will start new thread so as to not hijack this one.

 

I apologize for commenting on the baldness bit, since I was not wanting to hijack any thread. Others do that enough, IMO, so I don't have to invest any time in so doing.

Ed

 

I used to have extra-long chestnut brown hair, with auburn highlights. Even kept a pony tail. But the chemo I went thru changed everything. God gave me my health, but took my beautiful hair.

 

As I said, in so many words, your judgement of context is based on circular reasoning. You start with the assumption that Jesus wouldn't drink wine, and use that as your "context" as to whether you should interpret "oinos" to mean wine or grape juice.

How would you know? Did you grow up around alcoholics? That colored your viewpoint. Did you grow up in a family of people who never touched wine, and you never touched it either? Then you wouldn't know. Did you grow up with people who drank a glass of wine now and then and it didn't bother them? Then why didn't you learn from the experience?

It's all about you, not scripture.