I don't know where you heard this but it's wrong. The word "bread" is "artos" and is used in the KJV 99 times. "Daily" is "epiousios" which is an adjective to describe the bread and it's only used in this passage. It does reflect back to the bread that the Israelites made - not manna.
Another Catholic question (sorry guys!)
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by annsni, Jan 27, 2010.
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Why would it not reflect back to the manna? He says give us this day our daily (supersubstantial) bread. That is what he did for Israel. -
Ann, we present ourselves, souls, bodies to be a reasonable living sacrifice. In addition we bring bread and wine to offer.
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As to the sacrificial objection you stated.
Vincent Arong notes:However, since Christ has eternally vanquished death, he can no longer suffer and die as he did on the Cross. Therefore the sign of the separate consecrations recall the means of Christ's sacrifice on Calvary -- which was death -- yet, at the same time, makes present the essential reality of that very same sacrifice-- which is himself. On the other hand, since the separate consecrations refer to the death of Christ, the sign-reality connection that exists between the Mass and Calvary is maintained. This leads to a profound implication: since the Mass makes present Christ's sacrifice, that would mean that the priest and the offering are synonymous and identical at both the Mass and at Calvary: Jesus Christ. Therefore, not only do the signs of bread and wine make present the reality of Jesus' sacrifice on the Cross, but they also make present the very reality of the body and blood of Jesus Christ himself. The union that exists between the Mass and the death of Christ is not just in the event of the sacrifice but also in Him who is given in sacrifice, namely, Jesus Christ.
Remember St. Paul's chastisement of the Corinthians for not discerning the Lords body and blood in the Eucharist? -
The Bible is specific about this event also:
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
The RCC make a mockery of such scripture. -
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For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.
is in the future, and it speaks of the Millennial Kingdom, when offerings will be made from every corner of the earth to Christ, and thus this verse will be literally true.
It has nothing to do with what profanity goes on in the RCC today. -
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Concerning "sacrifices", it speaks more of offerings than sacrifices. I believe these would be more thank offerings not blood sacrifices, or praise offerings. -
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When in history has this ever happened and is it happening now?
The Gentiles are the nations--all nations and peoples other than the Jews.
Over one billion of the world's population are Muslim.
One billion are Hindu.
One Billion live in China and practice Confucianism, Taoism, etc.
That accounts for half of the world's population right there.
The name of the Lord Jesus Christ is not known among these peoples. These nations do not bow down to Christ as Lord. They do not offer incense to him. His name is not great among these nations. That is not happening today, and will not happen until Christ rules this world, and rules with a rod of iron, and in perfect peace and harmony. -
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Thus there will be Jews distinct from Gentiles (which survived the Tribulation), both of which are distinct from those believers which were raptured seven years before that event. The OT repeatedly speaks about the Messiah coming in glory for His own, that is the Jews. Even in John 1:11, "He came to His own, but his own received him not." But there will come a day when they will receive him.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
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OK, the response I got on the other board from one of the Catholics (he's a Thomist theologian BTW so no slouch!) is that the the issue of the who, why, how and when of the sacrifice is an open question!
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