Are certain political views sinful?

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Folks should try not to provoke attacks,

 

The discussion has moved fast, & I'm late into it. I'll quote this as a basis for my contribution.

I've lived in the UK since 1939, through WW2 & the subsequent implementation of socialist policies which were designed to make -
health care free at the point of need;
education, including higher & university available & free to all;
affordable housing for all;
etc.
all paid for by taxes. Taxes benefit everybody as they are paid out of income & all receive the benefits.

My father left school at 14 & was a shop delivery boy. My mother left home at 14 (abusive father) knocked on doors & was accepted as a live in maid at a girls' boarding school. Our parents were determined that we should take advantage of the opportunities being offered.

The abortion laws came into effect because of desperation, lack of care & dangerous back-street abortions, NOT because of an attitude, as at present, of promiscuity, free sex & aborting the resultant foetus. The prevailing attitude was that in every unmarried pregnancy the girl was the guilty party. "Bastard" was the ultimate insult. Lack of care for unmarried mother & baby was a major cause, especially because a girl with a bastard would be unmarriageable.

Safe abortion for health reasons (danger to life of mother or baby) was introduced. In no way am I in favour of abortion on demand. Babies are very precious, God-given treasures.

Politically I stand on the Socialist side. I'm a member of the UK Labour Party. I am against Conservative policies that seek to maintain privilege for the rich at the expense of the poor. We should all have enough to live on, support our families, including the elderly, and have basic housing.

This should be regardless of religion or ethnicity - we all have the same needs. Immigrants are the symptom of problems in their home countries, normally the result of war or oppression. They should be allowed in & allowed to work, not kept in "limbo."

 

This is bunk.

How is an abortion "safe" for a baby? Its not the baby is slaughtered as it is ripped apart limb by limb. Further, it is never right to slaughter the child to save the life of the mother.

 

Ok, help me decide how to vote. Is it sinful to vote for someone, like the most pro-l*fe president in history, who supports marriage equality and transg*nders using the bathroom of their choice?

I've already asked once, but you must have missed it. Please answer yes or no, is it sinful or not?

If you say "yes", it is sinful, you will be consistent with your stated religious beliefs, but undermine your political efforts.

If you say "no", you compromise your stated religious beliefs, but support your political efforts.

Yes or no, is it sinful to vote for such a person?

If you are unwilling to answer yes or no, you are sitting it out, doing nothing, which you have already declared to be "wrong".

If you don't answer yes or no, I'm afraid my confidence in your ability to discern right and wrong when it comes to sinful political views will be sharply downgraded.

Peace to you

 

But I don't have to answer to you.

 

I didn't ask you anything.

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Ok, you say it is sinful to vote for the most pro-l*fe president in history because of his views on marriage equality and transg*nder issues. You then say it is also sinful to vote for anyone because we all have a sin nature.

So, in your view all Christians are deliberately engaging in sinful activity when they vote, right?

Wouldn't it be better to not deliberately engage in sinful activity against God?

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This is where you and I have a different world view. I don't look to politicians to save me or my family. I know they will always disappoint. Additionally. I would never ask a brother or sister in Christ to violate their conscience by doing something they believe is sinful, no matter my personal interest.

I would trust God and praise Him no matter the outcome.

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I agree. I would add that we should never look to a secular government to enforce our views on society.

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canadyjd said: ↑"I didn't ask you anything."

this is a public debate open forum and as such i participated in your post number 106.

 

These are straw man arguments.

The discussion is about whether certain political views are sinful and whether voting for someone with certain political views is sinful.

You have given your opinion. According to your view, every time a Christian votes, they are willfully sinning against God, but they should do it anyway, because governments have been established by God and we should participate.

Additionally, Christians must only vote Repubs because the Dems are "pro-abortion holocaust".

So essentially, in your view, Christians must willfully sin against God by voting, and become political partisans that attempt to use the power of the federal government to force their religious views on everyone else.

Some here would add that if you hold certain political views the wrath of God should be brought down upon you and pray for your death by cancer.

Have I misunderstood your positions? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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I posted as quoted below as I am coming from a UK Socialist position.

It seems as if the thread is really Republicans versus Democrats, & is in support of Trump as he has adopted an anti-abortion stance to gain Christian support. There are wider issues, & other parties, or other candidates to support.

The USA is a country dominated by European immigrants yet has a hostile policy to further immigrants, many of whom have been displaced by US hostile policies to their countries.

Also the US has policies in the interests of a foreign power - a foreign power supported by US taxes to such an extent that it can provided free healthcare & education for all its Jewish citizens, while the taxpayers themselves lack such provision.

That slaughter implies a callous disregard for both mother & child & for God-given life. A sympathetic consideration of the health of mother & child would prevent such savagery.

It's an ethical/religious decision not taken with that attitude. If the mother dies, the baby will probably die in the womb. But the thread is concerning politics & voting, & there are many other issues. Care for the needy; foreign policy; minority issues, minimum wages; colour prejudice; women's rights (other than the "right" to abort); our youngsters fighting & dying in foreign wars; taxation & allocation; housing & homelessness; trade unions; etc, etc.

All parties are led by & include non-Christians. We need to consider overall policies. Especially as guided by Paul in Romans 13. A single issue is not sufficient grounds for support.

 

If one supports the slaughter of unborn children nothing else matters

 

No it doesnt

 

Rather we want immigrants but we want them to come here legally with a desire to assimilate.