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Are certain political views sinful?

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  1. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known Member
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    Not by a Catholic
     
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    What’s interesting is that people don’t consider voting a privilege till you are denied it
     
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    Especially for a modern Catholic. Look at the Pope's politics. I don't see anyone cutting Hannity any breaks.
     
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    Just to be clear, I have repeatedly stated your focus is off because.....

    1. You are looking to the federal government to enforce your beliefs.

    2. You are attacking brothers and sisters in Christ that disagree with your view of involvement in politics.

    That is not criticizing Christians that vote, or those that advocate certain positions.

    Peace to you.
     
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    Additionally, I don't think you've answered my question. If God establishes a one world government, will you quote Romans 13 as the reason we should accept it and be involved in it?

    Come on, just answer yes or no.

    Peace to you
     
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    Wonderful attitude. God bless you.

    Peace to you
     
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    Peace.... Jeremiah has something to say about speaking peace to ones soul!

    Namely don’t speak peace when there is no peace.
     
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    Jesus said something about peace as well. I'll speak of peace toward all because that is my prayer.

    Do you find something wrong with wishing for peace toward others?

    Peace to you (sincerely)
     
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    The whole point of the thread is to debate whether are any votes that are offensive to God. Is politics and voting moral or amoral? My positions is that it is, indeed, just like everything else, a moral issue. There are right and wrong politics, there are right and wrong ways to vote. My position that the apolitical attitude in many churches is wrong. Yes, politics is messy, but ignoring politics is not the answer. Just like everything else, we hash things out and weigh them against Scripture.
     
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    Ok, let's determine which vote is sinful.

    Candidate #1: Used to be pro-cho*ce, and voted that way, but after redestricting is now pro-l*fe and promises to vote that way.. Has always been opposed to marriage equality and pro 2nd amm*ndment.

    Candidate #2: Has always been pro-l*fe and voted that way. Supports marriage eqaulity and restrictions on access to certain w* apons.

    Which vote is sinful?

    Peace to you
     
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    Can you clarify what you mean by marriage equality? Are you talking about gay marriage? using a euphemism? And what do you mean by candidates voting? Did you mean to say that?

    And let's take one issue at a time.
     
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    We are getting back to concept of the lesser of two evils which is subjective.
     
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    Well, all political choices are lesser of two evils. But let's take the euphamisms away and see if things get clearer.

    Candidate #1: Used to be pro-abortion holocaust, but now seen the light and is pro-life. He believes in God's view of marriage and believes in the right to self-defense with a weapon.

    Candidate #2: Has always been against the abortion holocaust, but is against God's view of marriage and wants to start taking away the right to certain weapons.

    I know my choice. No brainer, candidate #1 is more likely to advocate positions in accordance with God's will and appoint constitutional judges.

    The problem with the analogy is, both candidates are pro-life, and that's not the choice we Americans face today. There is only 1 pro-life party and their President is the most pro-life president in history. The other won't tolerate any other view but pro-abortion holocaust, even tax payer funded abortion. And that's not to mention their assault on gender distinctions.

    To me, this is a moral no-brainer.
     
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    Yes to you and I but not everyone.
     
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    Yes, when there can be no peace
     
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    Ok, suppose a person is pro-lif* but believes the issue of abortion is a states rights issue and the federal government should not be involved.

    Is that political belief sinful?

    Peace to you
     
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    You would vote for someone with a long history of supporting the pro-ab*rtion h*locaust over someone with a long history of pro-l*fe votes?

    Surprising, though you didn't answer the question. Would voting for candidate #2 be sinful?

    Peace to you
     
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    You do know, I hope, that the most pro-l*fe president in history supports marriage equality and tr*nsgenders using the bathroom of their choice?

    Is voting for such a person sinful?

    Peace to you
     
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    Which is one reason I believe it problematic to attack brothers and sisters in Christ over political involvement or the decision to not be involved in politics.

    Peace to you
     
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    Agreed, but then one shouldn't provoke it.
     
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