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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by 5 point Gillinist, Jun 29, 2022.

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  1. JesusFan

    JesusFan Well-Known Member

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    Calvinist sotierology is biblical spot on!
     
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    Assume both are wrong. Then 90% of Baptists hold to false doctrine.
     
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    I do believe both are wrong. And I agree with your conclusion.
     
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    Parts of it are. Parts of it cannot be properly called "biblical" (regardless of it's correctness). And parts are simply false.

    But that's how it is with all of these theories. One has to be content with a soteriology that is much more complex (less simplistic) than Calvinism and be willing to first accept what is not understood to be remotely on the right track.
     
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    Sorry... I guess the literary allusion was over the top. Dan Brown, author of novels with Robert Langdon as main character, including The DaVinci Code.
     
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    Is that Latin or Greek?
     
  7. JesusFan

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    You keep on rejecting what reformers and we Baptists have seen as being heart of the Gospel, Pauline Justification!
     
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    are you a baptist?

    You would be the first I ever met who believes Calvin is spot on.. And I have been to many baptist churches all over my country.
     
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    90%

    yet i have never met any.

    where you do you get your info?

    any baptist church I have ever visited (garbc, independent, southern, etc) at the most would be seen as maybe 3 point calvinist. which would not make them calvinist at all..

    Thats why this argument between these two is nonsensical.
     
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    So, you hold 3 points of Calvinism 1 point of Arminianism, and one point of neither. That simply makes you confused. Neither may be right, but a compromise between two incompatible positions is not the truth. Especially considering the compromise position violates multitudes of scripture.
     
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    Did not see Calvin, as have issues with his take on infant baptism and the sacraments and church govt, but agreed on his take regarding Pauline Justification!
     
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    Yes, Pauline Justification is one of your favorite phrases, but neither you nor Calvinism has a clue as to what the phrase actually means according to scripture. And you will be unable to impute this righteous truth.
     
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    do you believe in the 5 points of calvinism?

    that is what these Calvin vs Armenian argument are mostly about, the 5 points of one vs the other.
     
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    how did you determine I believe in one point of neither and one point of Armenian and 3 points of calvin? (by the way your wrong)

    and how do you know I am confused? what is your basis?

    the truth is the truth,, I do not seek to look at Arminianism or calvinism for truth, I look to the word.. As we all should. we should not be followers of men but followers of God?
     
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    I see two of you have mentioned pauline justification.

    can't recall if I ever heard of this before. can you explain?
     
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    Yes, do hold to the 5 doctrines of grace!
     
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    Its that Jesus was imputed our sins, and in exchange, God the father imputes the very righteousness of Christ towards us saved!
     
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    Jesus died in our place, bearing our sins on the Cross, and receiving our due wrath, judgement, and separation , in order that God the father now can justify any and all whop place trust and faith in Jesus and his finished work!
     
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    Do you never tire of posting outrageous falsehoods. You know what scripture actually says, we are made righteous, not imputed with Christ's righteousness. Why false teachers insist on posting obviously unbiblical nonsense is beyond me. As I said, this poster could not accurate define Pauline Justification. Is the washing of regeneration part of his view? Nope. Is the circumcision of Christ part of his view? Nope. But can he regurgitate a mistranslation over and over? You bet...
     
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    Van -- that is his interpretation - so lets be careful of calling someones' doctrine a falsehood.
    Remember, Jesus Fan would consider your view a falsehood.
     
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