he is a full blown pretierist, so of course the literal/historical/grammatical methods makes little sense to him!
Basics of Bible Interpretation
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by rlvaughn, Jul 16, 2018.
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
In translation theory, we call a translation that does not literally represent the original text a "paraphrase." So, one who does not interpret the text literally is actually paraphrasing, adding "one's own" meaning. And here are a couple of very relevant quotes on that from secular translation studies scholars:
“It is when the translator sets out to render the ‘spirit’—not the textual sense—that he begins to traduce his author. The clumsiest literal translation is a thousand times more useful than the prettiest paraphrase.” (Vladimir Nabokov, “Problems of Translation: Onegin in English,” in The Translation Studies Reader, 2nd ed., ed. By Lawrence Venuti, p. 115.)
“Paraphrase falls short of maintaining a semantic correspondence and is actually transformative.” Lawrence Venuti, The Translation Studies Reader, 2nd ed., p. 18.
So, when one does not interpret with a grammatical-historical hermeneutic, he or she is transforming the Bible into their own subjective meaning. -
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Deuteronomy 22:8-11. 'When you build a new house, then you shall make a parapet for your roof so that you may not bring the guilt of bloodshed on your household if anyone falls from it.
You shall not sow your vineyard with different kinds of seed, lest the yield of the seed you have sown and the fruit of your vineyard be defiled.
You shall not plough with an ox and a donkey together.
You shall not wear a garment of different sorts, such as wool and linen mixed together'
A question for all readers. If you were preaching from these verses, how would you approach them and what applications would you draw? -
John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
1. Build your house with care.
2. Sow your seed with care.
3. Treat your animals with care.
4. Wear your clothes with care.
So I would interpret literally, then give applications for the Christian life. Please be aware that interpretation and application are two different steps. -
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Covenanter Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
e.g. Mat. 24 -
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30 when they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Many times in the Old Covenant histories, the LORD's presence was both seen & veiled by clouds as he led them through the wilderness. Also when he defended them or judged them. Exodus 19:9, Exodus 40, Isaiah 19,
Then in Rev. 1 the Olivet prophecy is affirmed -
things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
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7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
I am a partial preterist, as I believe in the return of the LORD Jesus Christ for resurrection & judgment, to establish the NH&NE. 2 Peter 3. I think though that the scoffers were ridiculing Jesus promise to come to destroy Jerusalem & the temple - which were still standing for about 35 years. Peter affirms that prophecy & warns of his final coming also. -
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John of Japan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I heard an ol country preacher say one time that when reading the bible we should always look for Jesus, then the Church, and then to see where we are. I can find him from Genesis to Revelation. After all, it's all about JESUS.
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Yes End of Story!:
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Ye men of Galilee - Israel.
"THIS same Jesus" Not TITUS.
Like Manner - Bodily
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"We don't have the liberty of adding our own thoughts to Scripture. It is vital that we take what the Word of God says, and get as close to the original meaning as we can."
That quote is from you, John. I like it. I thought I would start with a point of agreement.
1. The verse is speaking of inspiration from God opposed to a lack of it. The idea of literal vs. metaphorical is not in rhis passage.
2. Neither does the passage have to with the reading of Scripture. It has to do prophecy. More specifically, as you can see from the next verse (unhelpfully, a new chapter) it has to do with true prophets vs. false prophets.
When I said to forget Poythress (who has written much that I agree with) I meant that his insertion,had nothing to do with that Petrine verse you cited.
Hopefully this is clearer. -
asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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The reason I say 'prefer(ed)'; nowadays a searchable electronic Bible comprises a mighty telescope. -
asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
"Same manner", an adverbial phrase (Come on. This basic grammar) refers to How He left - invisibly. You are writing as if the angel said "same Form".
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