Believers must endure in the faith to the end of life to be saved

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Are we saved by grace alone/faith alone, or not?
     
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    I keep telling you ... no critical thinking was implemented into the education system some 50 years ago!
    And to think it was just implemented into BC (Canada)'s system in 2016!
     
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    Question was for Menno not you, Again shows how bad reading comprehension leads to mistakes.

    Simply if you knew who the elect are, you would only love elect.

    DO you love Judas Iscariot? The betrayer of Jesus Christ?


    The LONG ways you guys go to sugar coat that hideous idea of God you have speaks for itself.
     
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    God loves His covenant people, israel, above all others, same way those of us now saved!
     
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    Grace is a THING of God. Love is GOD himself. No Love, No grace.


    1 john 4

    8The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.


    Those bible lines are a horror to all devil worshippers who need a Hitler God with a egotistic favoritism.




    1 John 4 : 16 1/2
    God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God.


    One who abides in Love, Abides in God.


    AGAPE is a person.



    The Goal of Christianity is GOD. God almighty is the highest priority.

    1 Timothy 1

    5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.


    If you don't see God or Jesus in the above 1 Timothy 1 verse that proves 1 john 4 one who doesn't love doesn't know God.




    A selfish person can only understand the expression of a SELFISH GOD. A selfish person understands power, violence, force and might makes right for himself.

    Mercy, kindness, compassion these things are always looked on as weak by evil. Evil looks for every excuse to do away with mercy. Evil enjoys the suffering of others.
     
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    Loving others saved no one though, as its the death of Jesus and His resurrection that did!
     
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    As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

    Is that clear enough, utilyan?
     
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    It took God loving you to let Jesus die for you. John 3:16.

    Also show me one person in heaven who doesn't love God.
     
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    Its a figure of speech, he favors helps out Jacob more.


    Here is another example:

    Luke 14

    26“If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.


    Have you shot your father and mother? Have you killed your wife and children, told brothers and sisters how much you hate them?

    Is that clear enough for you?
     
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    Is that how you interpret this verse? If so...where can I find the bodies of your relatives? Also, what county are you living in so I can call the sheriff?
     
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