And you failed to read what I posted (as usual).
Ref post #59.
So, no matter what we do (or fail to do) - no matter what sins(s) we commit, our purification has already been completed? If we are already pure, then we cannot sin. Are you pure Rev? I'm not.
Wow - Works as part of salvation....
Yes it WILL (future tense) be realized.
And that precludes a future cleansing how?
I disagree and have provided reams of scripture challeneging the idea that one cannot lose one's salvation....
OK - lets disect 2 Ti 3:16:
Is scripture inspired? Yes!
Is scripture profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness? Yes!
Is scripture instructive? Yes!
Is scripture authoritative? Yes!
Is scripture the only authority? No - and 2 Ti 3:16 does not state that it is.
And where do you get the authority and credibility to make such a statement? I mean - since YOU are making this statement and THAT is outside of scripture and all...
It makes a sort of sense.
But not really.
Why wait until we're dead?
Instead God places a living spirit in a dead body so
until I die I'm really a zombie.
Sounds wrong.
You're not a zombie.
But it is God's design to do it this way.
I think it has something to do with "free will" thingy.
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While we are on this earth, God is conforming us to the image of Christ.
This is done through our own choice to follow Him or not.
A choice we face 24/7.
Every time we choose to obey Christ, we become a little more like Him.
This is God's plan and I gave up questioning why.
I just decided He knows more than I do.
I don't know.
I'm in a dead body waking around.
Sounds Zombie like to me.
And as much as I obey God I will never be 100% conformed to the image of Christ. So what happens then?
Actually I have to agree with your last sentence.
Its all above my head.
What you believe is YOUR interpretation of God's word and it's one with which I completely disagree. I'll ask you again -- why is your interpretation of scripture less fallible than mine or anyone else's for that matter?
Then why not try addressing the scripture that I gave you in post #59 instead of giving me YOUR opinion?
(Actually, the bible says that not everything was written in the bible - not me) Ref: (John 20:30; 21:35)
Its both - no contradicitions there.
Do you believe that Jesus was both fully God and fully man? He can't be both right? Which is it?
"If you would only stick to scripture, you would not be caught in these contradictions, because the truth is in God's word"
Right....:thumbs:
Your view is not based on scripture.
That is why it is fallible.
I did.
Post #60
I can't be both.
You said purgatory purification takes place before heaven, then you said it takes place in heaven.
Total contradiction.
Glad you agree.
Now please start supplying the scripture to support your beliefs. I still would like to see where the Bible speaks about a "compartment" in heaven that purifies people.
How about an outside source?
Do you even have that?
BS, you say that I learned what I believe from other people.
I'm just wondering where you learned what you believe?
It wasn't in the Baptist Church, since you claim to be a Baptist.
It's not in the Bible, so you must have learned this stuff from somebody.
Who?
I learned most of what I now believe about Catholicism right here on the Baptist Board while I was still Baptist.
This was back in the day before 'The Great Purge'.
So what you are basically saying is that heaven has a purification Chamber where we are tossed into, get burned, then scrubbed, and then washed off by Saints in air tight radiation anti sin suites carrying hoses until our skin is rubbed raw.
Then we are led into an air chamber where we have to wait until the preasure matches that in heaven.
Once thats accomplished the air tight seal is then open while we adjust to the new heaven air and are finally let in throught a 10 inch blast proof door?
is that where you're going with it?
Just curious.