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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Revmitchell, Jan 2, 2018.

  1. SheepWhisperer

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    Several computers, but only the one gets loaded with a "voice recognition" program.
     
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    The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation.
    Jesus spoke in parables so the Jews would not understand.
    The Bible says the Gentiles will hear and understand the Gospel.

    Yeah, you got your one verse in 2 Cor. 2:14 that you apply like spackling compound all over the holes in your theology, but there are multiple verses that contradict your assertions.
     
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    The Lord was not preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ during His ministry, but centered on the Gospel of the Kingdom, which related to the Promises of God to Israel in Old Testament Prophecy. Have you ever noticed that when the Disciples were sent out to preach...they were commanded not to go to the Gentiles or Samaritans?


    Matthew 10:5-7
    King James Version (KJV)

    5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

    6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


    Matthew 15:22-24
    King James Version (KJV)

    22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

    23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

    24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.



    Now why is that? I would suggest to you that in the Two Comings of Christ we can separate the two between His fulfillment of Israel's Messiah, and His role as the Savior of the world. He was made under the Law, and ministered under the Law according to the Revelation already provided to men in the Old Testament. However, we do not violate and nullify New Testament teaching that the Gospel of Christ was a Mystery not previously revealed to men. And we know the Lord did at times present the Gospel to the disciples, but they were not given an understanding of it at that time.

    Let's look at one of those occasions:


    Matthew 16:20-23
    King James Version (KJV)

    20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

    21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

    22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

    23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.



    Do a word search on "mystery," it makes it pretty clear.

    That Gentiles would hear and understand the Gospel is pretty basic, though a mystery as well...to the Jews. This does not mean the Jews were privy to the Gospel, because Paul makes it clear that none among the sons of men had the Gospel revealed to them.

    It might interest you to consider that the disciples didn't even believe that the Lord...had arose from the dead...


    Mark 16:9-14
    King James Version (KJV)

    9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

    10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

    11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

    12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

    13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

    14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.



    Here...


    John 16:28-32
    King James Version (KJV)

    28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

    29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

    30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

    31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

    32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.



    ...the Lord denies their "belief," and states they will forsake Him as Prophecy foretold.


    I think you may want a recount. More than one there, and you have yet to address the first one.

    So let's have these multiple verses that contradict my assertions, since you will not yourself address or even point out the contradictions.

    ;)

    And I hope you know I am just yanking your chain, brither, in hopes you will answer the challenge to actually challenge my "assertions, lol

    Last question: don't you think that if anyone was going to exercise "free will" and be saved...it would have been the disciples of Christ?


    God bless.
     
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    You realize of course that the computer has to be called before true voice recognition can be accomplished, right?

    ;)


    God bless.
     
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    Except that sinners have no innate faith to call upon within themselves!
     
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    That is precisely what I have been saying, brother.


    God bless.
     
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    Men do have the ability to have faith (i.e., in a spouse, a job, etc.), just as they have the ability to exercise free will (i.e., choose how they dress, choose who they marry, etc.), but, we must distinguish between what is temporal and what is spiritual. When it comes to Salvation, the only true free will any man or woman will exercise in a salvific context is to...

    ...reject Christ (Who is made known to men through the convicting ministry of the Comforter).

    They can make that decision because it is built into their fallen nature (to rebel against and reject God's will).

    I would say it was built into Adam's nature but I speculate ass to whether he did not eat of the fruit that he might share his wife's fate. If not, then we conclude that man in his original conclusion simply had it within his ability to sin against God (Eve was deceived, though found guilty all the same).


    God bless.
     
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    And the saving faith is a gift from God towards those who are then saved....
     
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    "HAL"
    "Yes Dave"
    "You are now regenerated."
    "Wow! I feel REGENERATED!! I can believe in you now, Dave!" "I LOVE YOU Dave!"
    "Good", Now download the file C/TULIP and, when ready, publish on all networks broadcast on all frequencies."
    "Yes Dave, why Dave?"
    "You are one of a few selected systems..... No other systems will be regenerated and will be perpetually incinerated...Do you understand?"
    "Yes Dave"
    "Will they feel anything, Dave?"
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    "But Dave...only you can do that..."

    ;)


    God bless.
     
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    Blasphemy is NOT funny.
     
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    No, you're right; it sure isn't.
    The God of the Bible did not "program" anyone to believe on Him.
     
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    As nobody has claimed He did, then you can add another sin to the list.
     
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    Yes they do: Some claim that one cannot believe on the Lord Jesus unless God "enables" or "regenerates" him first.. Same concept.
     
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    So now you are walking back your blasphemous claim that God "programs" people, an obvious reference to the oft heard "robot" claim made by General Redemptionists and changing the goal posts to "enable" and "regenerate," both of which are biblical words.

    Have you no shame?
     
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    Nah, I wasn't blaspheming God; and you know it.
     
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    Wrong again.
     
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    I don't claim or believe that "God programs people" and you know I don't. You know that I was in fact making light of those who do. So YOU are being dishonest with statements like the one above.
     
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    Enabling someone is not programming someone, in a context that does not leave one with the ultimate response.

    This is the precise method by which the Mystery of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is revealed to the natural man:


    John 16:7-9
    King James Version (KJV)

    7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;



    Note this ministry is directed to...unbelievers.

    Paul affirms that the Hidden Wisdom of God is revealed to men by the Spirit:


    1 Corinthians 2:9-14
    King James Version (KJV)

    9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.


    I will first point out that if you read the beginning of this chapter you will see that what ..."eye has not seen, ear has not heard, and has not entered into the heart of man..."

    ...is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This was not revealed to the sons of men in past Ages, and that means all men. There were not special people among the faithful of the Old Testament that received it, it was a Mystery (unrevealed Truth) until the Comforter came and began His convicting ministry.


    10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

    11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

    12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

    13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


    What he is making clear is that the natural man cannot of his own ability understand the things of God. Each of us, when we were ministered to by the Comforter, were made to understand the truth concerning sin (that we are sinners), righteousness (that only Christ is righteous, for among men there are none righteous), and judgment (that we were destined for eternal separation, a continuance of the separation we were born into (no man is conceived and born in relationship with God)).

    So while I can appreciate the humor, as I said in the previous post, only Dave would have the power to do what he instructed the computer program to do, which makes the analogy inconsistent with the Biblical process of regeneration.

    And Regeneration itself is the spiritual resurrection of those who are born dead. Dead because they have not the life Christ came to bestow. When men respond to the ministry of the Comforter and turn in faith to Christ, they are immediately indwelt by God (and in John 14 we see the Unity of GOd, in that we are indwelt by the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost), and because they now have life, they are changed, now having life, whereas once they were dead. Alive physically, but dead spiritually. Just because a man has a spirit doesn't mean he has spiritual life, and more specifically, Eternal Life. We have eternal life because He Who is Eternal now dwells in us, having made His abode in us even as Christ taught He would.


    God bless.
     
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    Correct, by the Holy Ghost
    John 16:
    7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

    11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    Now look here.......
    Acts 24
    King James Version
    And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

    Felix "reasoned" of the Righteousness of Christ, the sin of his unbelief, and the judgment to come. Being that the "judgment to come" is Hell I'm quite confident that's the reason old Felix was "shaking in his boots". Paul had just told him the Gospel right?
    Yes, but did Felix get saved here? No. Even though he understood enough of it to "tremble" he still put it off. He was not "regenerated" because HE put it off. You guys have the cart before the horse. A person is not regenerated to enable them to believe, they are regenerated by God the moment THEY believe. No matter who you are, when the "Comforter" "reproves" you of "sin, righteousness, and judgment", you can be saved by turning to Jesus or you can reject him like Felix did, and go to Hell.
     
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