Which all pointed towards the final ultimate sacrifice the lamb of God would do!
Calvinism : Questions
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by LaGrange, Nov 10, 2020.
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Did God that father intend the death of Jesus to provide potential salvation towards all, or to make definite atonement and salvation for some?
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The actual theology under the PST theology was derived form the OT sacrificial system and holding to a Covenant theology view in regards to scriptures, not from reading a law book!
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The PST theology though is a central aspect of Calvinist theology, regardless if one is a Presbyterian or a Baptist reformed!
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Right there is Pst outlined in the scriptures themselves!
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All depends on how one define double Predestination, as Dr Sproul did, or a John Gill would?
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I define "double predestination" as the doctrine that men are predestined to salvation while others are predestined to damnation.
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Why the "or"?
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Predestined due to them being in Adam, or did God cause and force them directly to go to hell?
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Both cannot be in play at same time!
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Scott Downey Well-Known MemberYes, they are all there, these statements about the atonement.
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Barry Johnson Well-Known MemberThere sins were remitted by the blood of sacrifices but not yet redeemed until Jesus came and Died for everyone's sins . Not just our sins but the sins of the whole world.
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So Jesus atoned for the sins of all lost sinners?
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Barry Johnson Well-Known MemberWell he atoned for yours didn't he ? your not so special . He died for the ungodly. Who's not ungodly ?
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To keep on track, this is what you are saying cannot be in play at the same time:
"Did God that father intend the death of Jesus to provide potential salvation towards all, or to make definite atonement and salvation for some?"
And they can both be accurate. Even in the 17th century you had Calvinists insisting this exact same thing (it has been an ongoing debate within Calvinism for centuries).
God could intend that Christ's death provide potential salvation towards all AND to make definite atonement and salvation for some. This was Spurgeon's position, BTW. -
Barry Johnson Well-Known MemberOr definite atonement for all . But limited glorification for those that recieve the atonement.
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Barry Johnson Well-Known MemberAmen .
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Sounds more like "4 point" Calvinism!
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That would mean that lost sinners in final Judgement would have a legit gripe though!
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It may, but it isn't.
The idea is that Christ died as a legitimate offer of salvation to all men but also in a particular way to save those who believe (the elect).
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