Romans 9:18-20, Paul foresaw your ilk coming two millennia ago.
Calvinist dead
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by MrW, Apr 17, 2023.
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Calvinism is more consistent, IMHO. It is extremely simple and complete. There are a few flavors (some reject that a Baptist can be a Calvinist, some reject a point or two....which seems illogical to me as each point plays off another....ect.).
But Arminianism .... Classic or Reformation Arminianism was a part of orthodox Calvinism for a long time....then we have Wesleyan Arminianism (very different....probably what people generally refer to) and takes on that.
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I remind everyone that God was obliged to save the Jews because he promised them he would. However he was not obligated by a promise to save anyone else God would still be just if he had only saved the Jews and not saved the gentiles.
Concerning promise #7 in the above verse, the atonement of Christ in the context of Romans 5 is the blessing of Abraham. That text says that Jesus Christ died for sinners while they were still in their sins. When they nailed Jesus to the cross all men were sinners and there was none righteous. All were condemned by God for their offences. When Jesus rose from the dead 3 days later, God counted no man as a sinner. I did not say that, God did.
Ro 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
How?
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
God at this time is not imputing personal sins to sinners to condemn them. To say he does is to deny the efficacy of the atonement of Christ.
Here is a succinct explanation of the blessing of Abraham and it is dependent on the cross of Jesus Christ and his resurrection and it is world wide.
Ga 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Ga 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
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The only reason why the followers of Calvin gave 5 points is because the followers of Arminius (Remonstrants) wrote an article expressing 5 points of their soteriology.
As to the "isms," it's unfortunate that there are so many wolves, who follow their father the devil, who, like their father, quote the Bible to create humanist ways of being saved where Jesus takes a passenger seat to themselves. -
BUT what you argue as Arminianism is a form that did not originate with the Remonstrants (it is of an Arminianistic trajectory just as Arminianism is of Calvinistic trajectory and Calvinism is of a Roman Catholic trajectory....i.e., each held the theology from which they came as correct to a large extent but wrong in essential doctrines so they reformed the theology from whence they came). -
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will? -
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