Can a man sin a sin unto death after being born again.

[Brother Bob]

Took it off, just wondering what happened to the others.

 

[Steven2006]

Took it off, just wondering what happened to the others.

??? I am sorry, but I am not really following you on this, and some of your last few posts. If you are making a point, I apologize, but I am missing it.

 

[Brother Bob]

??? I am sorry, but I am not really following you on this, and some of your last few posts. If you are making a point, I apologize, but I am missing it.

I think I ask:
Can a "saved" person keep from committing adultery and all the other sins that ED; listed earlier?

 

[charles_creech78]

If you die in your sins where Christ is ye cannot come. Go ahead and die in your SIN and see will you will go.

 

[Steven2006]

I think I ask:
Can a "saved" person keep from committing adultery and all the other sins that ED; listed earlier?

I don't recall the list, but I answered you, all ready that yes a saved person can keep from adultery.

 

[Brother Bob]

I don't recall the list, but I answered you, all ready that yes a saved person can keep from adultery.

Well Stephan, I am glad to see you believe that. Now do you believe they can keep from committing adultery because they are kept by the power of God or His Grace and have the "mind of Christ" and the "indwelling of the Holy Ghost", and have been "borned again"?

 

[DHK]

Now do you believe they can keep from committing adultery because they are kept by the power of God or His Grace and have the "mind of Christ" and the "indwelling of the Holy Ghost", and have been "borned again"?

Of course they can. A person can keep himself from committing adultery, murder, smoking, drunkenness, and a whole lot of other sins. But that doesn't mean he can keep himself from ALL sins. Jesus himself was the only one who was sinless. To say otherwise is blasphemy. The reason he could die for our sins is that he was sinless. The reason that no other human could not die for my sin is that they themselves are sinners. A sinful man cannot die for another sinful man. Jesus alone was sinless and thus could pay the penalty.

The fact that you differentiate between sin is deplorable. All sins are sins unto death. Your quarrel is with God. You can ask him when you get to heaven. You have never commented on my example. Why isn't hypocrisy in your list. Annanias and Sapphira committed a sin unto death. The sin was hypocrisy. Why isn't that one in your list? It was a sin unto death wasn't it?

 

[Amy.G]

If you die in your sins where Christ is ye cannot come. Go ahead and die in your SIN and see will you will go.

Charles, nobody has to die in their sins. That's why Christ died for us, so that we wouldn't have to die in our sins. But, you have to believe.

If you are not born again, there are only 2 things you need to know at this point.

1. You have sinned against a Holy God

2. You are in need of a Savior.

If you accept these 2 things and reach out to God, He will not disappoint you. All the knowlege you seek will come later. In fact, if you are not born again you will not be able to understand spiritual things. You must have the mind of Christ to do that and you receive the mind of Christ when you accept Him as your Savior and receive the Holy Spirit.

God is speaking to you right now. Talk to Him and tell Him you need Him. He will lead you to do the rest.

raying:

 

[Steven2006]

Well Stephan, I am glad to see you believe that. Now do you believe they can keep from committing adultery because they are kept by the power of God or His Grace and have the "mind of Christ" and the "indwelling of the Holy Ghost", and have been "borned again"?

If one is saved and didn't believe that he could keep from a particular sin, it would mean he didn't believe in the promise of 1Corinthians 10:13. That verse proves it is possible for us. God will make a way of escape for us.

Where I think you and I differ is that I think that some Christians are more mature than others, and it does happen where even though, yes it is possible not to commit the sin, some Christians do yield to temptation.

 

[Brother Bob]

Of course they can. A person can keep himself from committing adultery, murder, smoking, drunkenness, and a whole lot of other sins. But that doesn't mean he can keep himself from ALL sins. Jesus himself was the only one who was sinless. To say otherwise is blaspehmy. The reason he could die for our sins is that he was sinless. The reason that no other human could not die for my sin is that they themselves are sinners. A sinful man cannot die for another sinful man. Jesus alone was sinless and thus could pay the penalty.

The fact that you differentiate between sin is deplorable. All sins are sins unto death. Your quarrel is with God. You can ask him when you get to death. You have never commented on my example. Why isn't hypocrisy in your list. Annanias and Sapphira committed a sin unto death. The sin was hypocrisy. Why isn't that one in your list? It was a sin unto death wasn't it?
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DHK

You have said this over and over and it is not I who says there is a difference in sin, it is the Lord Himself.

1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

1Jo 5:18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

So, your quarrel is with the Lord Himself.

 

[Brother Bob]

If one is saved and didn't believe that he could keep from a particular sin, it would mean he didn't believe in the promise of 1Corinthians 10:13. That verse proves it is possible for us. God will make a way of escape for us.

Where I think you and I differ is that I think that some Christians are more mature than others, and it does happen where even though, yes it is possible not to commit the sin, some Christians do yield to temptation.

Why would some be kept by His Grace and others not? I don't mean this in a harsh way, it is something I just can't understand.

I mean DHK; says there is not difference in sin, the Lord says there is. If a person believes there is no difference in sin, then he could never answer the book of John.

 

[charles_creech78]

Does this mean that a "saved" person can keep from committing "adultery', and all the other sins on the list by ED;?

Brother Bob you will like this one. Eat drink and be marry for tomarrow we die.:laugh:

 

[DHK]

Why would some be kept by His Grace and others not? I don't mean this in a harsh way, it is something I just can't understand.

I mean DHK; says there is not difference in sin, the Lord says there is. If a person believes there is no difference in sin, then he could never answer the book of John.

If a person says there is a difference in sin then he can never answer the book of James.

 

[Brother Bob]

If a person says there is a difference in sin then he can never answer the book of James.

Could you tell me why?

 

[DHK]

Could you tell me why?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

One sin is as bad as another.
If you lie it is just as bad as committing murder--just as bad as breaking the whole law.

 

[npetreley]

I feel like this whole thread is in the Twilight Zone.

 

[EdSutton]

Does this mean that a "saved" person can keep from committing "adultery', and all the other sins on the list by ED;?

Well, Ed neither said nor implied that any saved person had to commit any of the sins categorized on the list, below, FTR.

I have a list of "sins unto death", according to some here that I want to ask if anyone actually considers them to be such, and/or that such who commit these sins cannot possibly be saved individuals? Or do just some of them, rise to this level?

Here are some categories:

1. Lust, which can lead to overt Adultery, which I'll call category 1a.
2. Murder
3. Drunkenness
4. Incest
5. Stealing and/or Swindling
6. Prostitution
7. Extreme Polygamy (Many wives, not just two or three.)
8. Apostasy (denying the Lord)
9. Womanizing (whatever that actually may mean)
10. Willful unbelief (again, whatever that may mean)
11. Cowardice
12. Willful disobedience to God
13. Open strife between or among those who claim to be believers. Would this count as 'hate'?
14. The worst sins of any other kind one can think of, since I'm running out of fairly easy categories. But I have listed 15 categories, counting my first part as two distinct ones.

What do you any of you say, here? How many of them, are 'damning', how many of them are not actually 'damning', and how many are forgiveable for the one who commits them? I really wonder what some of you have to say about any or all of these or perhaps even more sins that I could not think of quickly, off the top of my head, in this?

Ed

But Ed has noticed that no one (apart from Brother Bob who wanted them 'narrowed' in some way, that I did not understand) seems to want to answer any of the questions he asked - viz

What do you any of you say, here? How many of them, are 'damning', how many of them are not actually 'damning', and how many are forgiveable for the one who commits them? I really wonder what some of you have to say about any or all of these or perhaps even more sins that I could not think of quickly, off the top of my head, in this?

(addressed to charles_creech78) So let me see if I get this straight? There is "any sin", which I would assume one who is "born again" can potentially do, and there is "a spiritual sin" one who is "born again" cannot do??

Isn't that what you are saying, here?

(addressed to charles_creech78, again) But be that as it is, would you consider any of my posted 'list' of 15 categories of sins, to be "spiritual sins", and be willing to say that one who is born again could not do any of them? I am still wondering and waiting on an answer to this question.

I am more than willing for any and all to answer these, even though I originally addressed most of them to charles_creech78.

And, just to be helpful, I'll repeat all of 'em, and add one that is not in the two posts I'm citing from.

(new) How many, of these 15 categories of sins, would any of you classify as "sins unto death"?

What do you any of you say, here? How many of them, are 'damning', how many of them are not actually 'damning', and how many are forgiveable for the one who commits them? I really wonder what some of you have to say about any or all of these or perhaps even more sins that I could not think of quickly, off the top of my head, in this?

(for cc78) So let me see if I get this straight? There is "any sin", which I would assume one who is "born again" can potentially do, and there is "a spiritual sin" one who is "born again" cannot do??

(for cc78) But be that as it is, would you consider any of my posted 'list' of 15 categories of sins, to be "spiritual sins", and be willing to say that one who is born again could not do any of them? I am still wondering and waiting on an answer to this question. And again, I eagerly await your answers.

Ed

 

[Brother Bob]

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

One sin is as bad as another.
If you lie it is just as bad as committing murder--just as bad as breaking the whole law.
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DHK

That is your problem DHK; you take this as meaning the Mosaic Law, when it mean the Law of the Commandments. No wonder you have a problem.

8: If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11: For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

I am sure the shirt I have on now is of different material and I have no intentions of stoning anyone to death. Jesus said to love you enemies. You can not rightly divide the word of truth DHK;.

There is a difference in sin according to the Lord: Jesus said there was, not me.

1Jo 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jo 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

1Jo 5:18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


One is transgressing the Law, the other is not but maybe talking to harsh on here from time to time.

 

[charles_creech78]

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. You DHK you told me you sin as a Christain then you are guilty of it all and in Gal 5:21 them that Do such things shall not inherit the kindom of God.

One sin is as bad as another.
If you lie it is just as bad as committing murder--just as bad as breaking the whole law.[/QUOTE ] DHK he said not to Judge. You broke the law for calling me a hypocrite the other day.

 

[Brother Bob]

I am more than willing for any and all to answer these, even though I originally addressed most of them to charles_creech78.

And, just to be helpful, I'll repeat all of 'em, and add one that is not in the two posts I'm citing from.

(new) How many, of these 15 categories of sins, would any of you classify as "sins unto death"?

I will let scripture take care of some of them for now ED;

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.