Can a man sin a sin unto death after being born again.

[DHK]

The Ten Commandments were carried across the river Jordan unto the promised land. Jesus quoted the Ten Commandments. Apostle Paul when teaching us what sin is, quoted the Ten Commandments. Jesus fulfilled the Law of Circumcism, The Law of Sacrifice and the washing of the pots and pans, the law that Moses dished out. But the Ten Commandments came directly from God to His people. Jesus added two, Paul gave us other things Christian cannot do, but we do not go back and offer up the blood of bulls and calves anymore, nor are we circumcised in the flesh.

Are you actually going to tell me with a straight face that James was speaking about circucision, and the sacrificing up of bulls and goats when he said:
"Whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point he is guilty of all."
The context: James 2:5 "Hearken my beloved brethren"
Brethren refers to Christians not Jews.

 

[Brother Bob]

--All sin in God's eyes is the same. A lie is the same as murder or adultery. That is the point of the verse. Read the passage again.__________________
DHK

You know DHK; I agree with this and always have, but a lie is not the same with God of me speaking to harshly to you or failing to go to the Nursery Home and visit, failing to go to the hospital and visit. Its more what I don't do, that what I do do, but its not the same as a lie with God. He said it wasn't. "there is a sin not unto death".

 

[Brother Bob]

Are you actually going to tell me with a straight face that James was speaking about circucision, and the sacrificing up of bulls and goats when he said:
"Whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point he is guilty of all."
The context: James 2:5 "Hearken my beloved brethren"
Brethren refers to Christians not Jews.__________________
DHK

I am actually going to tell you that James was speaking of the Ten Commandments and of course the two Jesus added.

 

[DHK]

I am actually going to tell you that James was speaking of the Ten Commandments and of course the two Jesus added.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
--And he that said do not bear false witness, and do not lie, said also do not kill. Now if thou commit no murder yet if thou lie thou art become a transgressor of the law. (even the little white laws)

 

[EdSutton]

The Ten Commandments were carried across the river Jordan unto the promised land. Jesus quoted the Ten Commandments. Apostle Paul when teaching us what sin is, quoted the Ten Commandments. Jesus fulfilled the Law of Circumcism, The Law of Sacrifice and the washing of the pots and pans, the law that Moses dished out. But the Ten Commandments came directly from God to His people. Jesus added two, Paul gave us other things Christian cannot do, but we do not go back and offer up the blood of bulls and calves anymore, nor are we circumcised in the flesh.

What two commandments did Jesus supposedly "add" to the Ten Commandments? I don't remember any, but maybe I missed them.

And FTR, circumscision is practiced very widely, today, according to all I have read, at least in the United States, and due to sheer numbers, mostly on those who are not of Jewish background.
And it is definitely "in the flesh".

Ed

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
I am actually going to tell you that James was speaking of the Ten Commandments and of course the two Jesus added.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
--And he that said do not bear false witness, and do not lie, said also do not kill. Now if thou commit no murder yet if thou lie thou art become a transgressor of the law. (even the little white laws)__________________
DHK

I said I agree DHK; you can murder a brother by telling a lie on him, especially a preacher brother.

 

[Brother Bob]

And FTR, circumscision is practiced very widely, today, according to all I have read, at least in the United States, and due to sheer numbers, mostly on those who are not of Jewish background.

Ed

Not for religious reasons and you know it. It is done for health reasons.

What two commandments did Jesus supposedly "add" to the Ten Commandments? I don't remember any, but maybe I missed them.

I guess it was one Ed; He said it is a new Commandment and I take Him at His word. I guess it is not really added to the Ten though, it was to the church, but I was actually talking about the church so I guess you could say it was added to the Ten to the church and be right.

Jhn 13:34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

 

[EdSutton]

Not for religeous reasons and you know it. It is done for health reasons.

It is in fact, done for religious reasons among those who are Jewish, and some others religions and sects as well, including especially Islam, and some other Eastern religions.

Ed

 

[npetreley]

Jhn 13:34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Ah, that's just because it's in the Gospel of John. John could never make up his mind about anything. First he says we can't sin, then he says we're liars if we say we can't sin, then he says we can't sin again.

Then he says there's no new commandment, then he says it's an old commandment, then he says it's a new commandment.

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

What else do you expect from John?

 

[Brother Bob]

It is in fact, done for religious reasons among those who are Jewish, and some others religions and sects as well, including especially Islam, and some Eastern religions.

Ed

You are just being contrary for you know they are not Christians and we are talking about the scripture to Christians. Why do you run way off in left field. Don't you know if we did that too, but it would only bring confusion to the discussion whether it be deliberate or not. I had a uncle who rambled on and on until he finally died. May he rest in peace.

 

[DHK]

I said I agree DHK; you can murder a brother by telling a lie on him, especially a preacher brother.

But these are sins unto death, according to you. How could a Christian commit a sin unto death. You keep contradicting yourself.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
I said I agree DHK; you can murder a brother by telling a lie on him, especially a preacher brother.
But these are sins unto death, according to you. How could a Christian commit a sin unto death. You keep contradicting yourself.__________________
DHK

You wish!
You are almost impossible to get through to. No where in my posts do I say the "saved" can commit these acts, I have said over and over the "saved" cannot commit these acts.
I could give you a lesson in the Law if you wanted me to, but I don't think you could catch on. I will give you a hint;

The Law is not for the righteous but for the sinner and the ungodly. The righteous of the Law is fulfilled in us, in other words we keep the things written in the Law and not break them.

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.
It is like a "light" came on when a person who claims to be "saved", commits adultery. Depending on how well known he is, such as swaggert, the whole world then knows what he really is and its not a Christian.

 

[TCGreek]

1Jo 5:18 ¶ We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1. Let's not put John against himself.

a. John says that "if we claim to have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (1:8). We will sin as born again Children of God.

b. Then he comes back and say, "I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense" (2:1). Sin is part of the life of the born again.

c. Further we read, "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seen remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God" (3:9).

2. This is the best translation of this text. I have noticed that when one appeals to the Greek, some have an aversion to it. I wonder why?

a. We need to learn to respect how the language works. Others have successfully commented on this verse. But I will add this for our consideration:

i. Paul says, "Pray without ceasing," translated from two Greek words (BTW, this is the shortesst verse in the GNT, not John 11:35,raying: ).

ii. "Pray" is present tense, but what does it mean here? Is Paul saying to praying every sec. min. hour, 24/7 for the rest of your saved life? No, he is using what greek grammarians call the "Iterative Present," praying repeatedly, praying faithfully.

iii. We need to respect how the language work and not dismiss it because it goes against some position we cling to.

3. If you respect how the Greek language works, you will realize that the Present tenses of 1John 3:8; 5:18 are Customary Present, born again children of God do not make it a custom/habit to lead a life of sin.

 

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