If God is not culpable because of foreknowledge, neither is He culpable if He planned it. But the fact of the matter is that the only way it couldn't have been part of His plan from before the foundation of the earth is if sin had caught Him by surprise, and the Cross was just plan B.
Can God originate a thought?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Skandelon, Mar 26, 2011.
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Where did the intent of Satan to "become like God" originate? In Satan or in God? -
So, instead of addressing the problem with your view (divine culpability) you just dismiss the problem by saying "you have the same problem," even though our views are very different. You thus also beg the question by presuming foreknowledge has the same problems of divine culpability, when just about any objective observer would see it differently.
But, if someone can't distinguish between God's foreknowing of future evil events and permitting them and his actually originating the evil intent and predetermining the evil itself, I don't think we can have a rational and meaningful discussion either way... -
But it's only a logical fallacy if the argument is not true. Otherwise, Christ could not have accused the scribes and Pharisees of hypocrisy. Any objective observer knows that when one with the power to prevent an imminent danger he can forsee does nothing to safeguard his neighbor, then his guilt is as if he had premeditated the injury. And the Law testifies to that fact assigning the same guilt and prescribing the same penalty.
Your entire argument against Calvinism rests on an appeal to a carnal sense of justice. "If the idea originated with God, then . . ." Far from dismissing your argument, I met it head on and showed that you cannot escape the same "difficulty."
God eternally knew it, eternally planned it, and it has eternally been His will for His Son to suffer for the death and sin of His people. His integrity, holiness and goodness is not contingent upon the satisfaction of your carnal sensibilities.
The Calvinist can humbly accept that, because he has been converted. The Noncalvinist cannot because he is too proud. -
Interesting reading the two "camps" and the sovereignty of God. But way past the page limit.
If anything to be added, start a new thread on that particular item, NOT a "part 2" of this thread.
Thanks
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