or is it if you miss the very nature of God, have a fake One?
For Oneness pentacostals, and those holding to Modualism do not have real God, correct?
Can one hold to non Biblical views on the Trinity and yet be saved?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Jan 22, 2014.
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Why not just focus on telling people how they can be saved rather than trying to evaluate who is/is not saved?
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Believing in the trinity is a choice! Since you don't believe in free will choices, your question is obviously a trick question and I'm not playing!! In your soteriology if God selects one for salvation He will make you believe in the trinity!!
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Belief in the trinity isn't necessary for one to become a believer - the trinity is basically humanly impossible to fully comprehend and only partially comprehended by the believers.
However, there isn't a believer who does not grow into an experiential understanding of the working aspects of the trinity in their ways.
As I have grown from old to ancient, I can no better express the trinity than when I was young and strong, however, there is no end to the witness of the trinity at work throughout my life. -
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preachinjesus Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
What we know isn't a matter of our salvation.
Saying that someone has to believe, or know, some specific set of doctrinal criteria in order to be saved is Gnosticism and that is not Christian. Christianity is about what you know.
Now we can say that once someone is saved they should acquire proper, or orthodox, beliefs as part of their sanctification. However, what we know isn't part of our justification.
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I'll second what Aged Man and Preachin' Jesus said.
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United Pentecostal Church modualists I would not be so sure of. Their form of modaulism comes with a whole host of extra Biblical requirements for salvation such as their formula for baptism and requirement that you be baptized in their church tradition alone much like the Church of Christ cultists. Their "jesus" is not my Jesus. Same goes for the Mormons and JW's. Their Jesus is patently false and couldn't save a flea from hell. But, others modualist I think are just trying to make the Trinity fit into a logical box which leads them into making an error. They misread the Trinity but not the finished work of Jesus on the cross. Their Jesus is my Jesus.
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just asking, if one denied a cardival truth liek trinity, wouldn't they have a wrong view on God, thus NOT same jesus/Holy spirit/God, not holding to real gospel?
Modualism denies that God has 3 seperate persons, so they follow wrong god, and Oneness folks have Jesus alone as being God, and requirements added to be baptized in spirit, and in water in name of jesus only, to get saved! -
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Jesus said:
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
After which they tried to stone Him for blasphemy.
They knew right well what He was claiming.
He also said
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Notice the he following the I am. It is italicised because it is not in the original text, so Jesus could be saying that unless they believed He was/is the I AM then they would die in their sin.
Granted that leaves room for modalism. However as a Trinitarian I believe it for what it seems to be saying...
Unless we eventually come to the realization that Jesus is the Word made flesh then we are not saved.
This causes an ontological problem... what if one who claims to be a Christian dies before they come to that realization?
The bottom line in this view is that one who has truly been regenerated but has no idea what the Trinity is or means (such as a child) is saved nonetheless and will eventually come to that realization even if they pass away without it (then they will realize that wonderful fact when they see Him face-to-face).
There is probably a core seed of this belief in anyone who has been convicted of their sin and taught their need of a "divine" Savior by the Spirit of God even without an iterated definition of the Trinity.
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"Let not conscience make you linger,
Not of fitness fondly dream;
All the fitness He requireth
Is to feel your need of Him."
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I wouldn't necessarily say that a person that didn't believe in the trinity isn't saved. -
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One does not have to understand the Trinity to be called to repentance by the Holy Spirit.
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JWs and Mormons are not Christian, but cults, and are not even worthy of discussion. -
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