I just have an extra minute here, but I thought I'd mention the Greek genea (supposedly only "generation") in Matt. 24:34. It should be translated "race" here. Note the definition from Friberg's lexicon:
"genea,, a/j, h` strictly birth, the circumstances relating to one's origin; (1) literally, those descended from a common ancestor race, clan, descendants (perhaps AC 8.33); as an ethnic group kind (LU 16.8)."
A typcial error of those untaught in languages is to think that the English word "generation" is exactly the same as the Greek word, but it is not. The Greek word has a wider range of meaning, and can be translated as either "generation" or "race." Here it is "race," so knowing that, it is quite easy for a premil believer to exegete.
Christology and Preterism
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by John of Japan, Oct 16, 2017.
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15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
17 Henceforth, let no man trouble me; for I bear branded on my body the marks of Jesus.
18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brethren. Amen.
11 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in like manner as they.
12 And all the multitude kept silence; and they hearkened unto Barnabas and Paul rehearsing what signs and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles through them.
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Symeon hath rehearsed how first God visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After these things I will return, And I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen; And I will build again the ruins thereof, And I will set it up: [see Matthew 16:18]
17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called,
18 Saith the Lord, who maketh these things known from of old. Acts 15
Old man, do you know of any descendants of David, Nathan, Levi, or Shimeites that can be identified as such? Can the Jews themselves identify such people?
No. No such record exists.
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Where else is it used as race, and not the present generation? -
Try your 'new' position with these passages:
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous race seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given it but the sign of Jonah the prophet:
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man becometh worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this evil race. Mt 12
4 An evil and adulterous race seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of Jonah. And he left them, and departed. Mt 16
40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked race. Acts 2 -
"I do not believe this, I believe what it says "those who pierced him", That generation".
So if you are going to be a stickler for words so am I.
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The Deuteronomy passage has nothing to do with the Revelation passage
‘Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’20“Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her.”
Speaking about the future destruction of Babylon.
The passage from Deuteronomy is about Israel abandoning the Lord.
Two completely separate issues.
That God has for a time covered the eyes, does not mean abandonment.
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You claim John of Japan changed his position by posting exactly in support of his statement? -
...more:
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth [see Revelation 18:24], from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this race. Mt 23
...mere minutes later:
22 For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
32 Verily I say unto you, This race shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lk 21 -
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34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24
30 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, until all these things be accomplished. Mk 13
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lk 21 -
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As you seem to think you understand this better than John, a Greek teacher, so please tell us where you studied Greek, and for how long, and what degrees you earned and what experience you have in Greek grammar, syntax, and how much translation work have you done and where can we find that work published? -
Fausset:
In Mat_24:34 "this generation shall not pass (namely, the Jewish race, of which the generation in Christ's days was a sample in character; compare Christ's address to the generation, Mat_23:35-36, in proof that generation means at times the whole Jewish race) until all these things be fulfilled," a prophecy that the Jews shall be a distinct people still when He shall come again.
Don't want to spend money on Fausset? Fine. Here is Thayer:
γενεά
genea
Thayer Definition:
1) fathered, birth, nativity
2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
2b) metaphorically a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
2b1) especially in a bad sense, a perverse nation -
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