Hi Tom. I haven't figured out how to add selected quotes instead of attaching an entire previous message, so I do apologize for that. You do present an interesting case - not only with me, but also with the Biblicist and others. I don't believe the Hebrews passage necessarily means that we will not have a physical body. Romans 8:23 speaks of the redemption of our bodies, not from our bodies. Philippians 3:21 is about the transformation of our humble bodies. Having said that, I will confess that I'm not entirely sure one way or the other. I see strong arguments for both positions.
Christ's Return: Spiritual or Physical?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by asterisktom, Jan 18, 2019.
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
But I believe the tendency - in these groups, especially - is to delve deeper than we are able to know. There is much about God's Word I do not understand, and this after decades studying, learning and unlearning and relearning. But there are certain things I do understand and am totally convinced of. And one of those is that the "days of [Christ's] flesh" are long gone. No one has been able to Scripturally prove otherwise to me.
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asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Both full and partial preterism are false. The prophesied events simply haven't yet happened & there's simply NO avoiding that FACT.
As I said, Jesus will PHYSICALLY return to earth, seen by all, as He said. And again, He comes SPIRITUALLY whenever/wherever two or three are gathered in His name, as He said in Matt. 18:20.
Now, what type of body He will have at His return, I don't know, except that He will be in His full power & glory. Remember, at His first coming, He lived as a "lamb", but He shall return as a "LION". -
asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
BTW there is a division among Preterists on this topic of resurrection. One group (Don Preston is the most well-known advocate of this view), lays great stress on this corporate view, making most or all the resurrection passages be about corporate and/or positional change. The other is the individual body view (Ed Stevens has written much on this) which says that when Christ came in AD 70 it meant instant individual resurrections and transformations of saints, dead and living, respectively, 1Cor 15:51-54. This is the view that I think is more correct. -
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See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; and He took it and ate it before them.
John 20:27-28
Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!
Beyond those plain verses, each gospel testifies to an empty tomb and the enemies of Christ cannot produce the body of Jesus.
But you already claim to believe in the physical resurrection. Has your faith suddenly left you? If not, what's the point of demanding "a verse"? -
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At some point, the dead will be raised and all humankind will be rejoined with their bodies. Some will be destroyed in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:12-15; 21:8) and the righteous will reign with Christ forever (Revelation 22:5) -
tyndale1946 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. -
asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
BTW the "rudiments" of Col. 2:8 are the very "elements" that dissolve in 2 Pet. 3:10.
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Oops. Because I had BB on ignore I didn't see the quote in your post. So I didn't know to whom you were addressing the comment. -
asterisktom Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Whether you agree with me or not is not the issue. A person discussing with someone else ought to be able and/or willing to remember that other person's view.
This is why you are on my ignore list - the only one on it. I really don't like doing it. But I hate having to waste time in correcting people who (I think) are just reading my posts for ammo, not content.
For the record, (in this thread) I was asked by Biblicist:
"You do believe what was resurrected from the grave was a material body of flesh and bones, correct?"
And I answered:
"Most definitely. Otherwise our faith is in vain."
I see you have quite a few posts on this board, so you know better than to comment on a comment without having read the antecedents.
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