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I am not asking you a leading question. You asked me how many sins I have committed and I said every single one of them.
Now your turn. What sins have you committed against your will?
It’s not a leading question at all...just a straightforward one.
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Okay, you say if you know it’s a sin and do it anyways, it means they aren’t atoned for.
You have just given an out to the millions who practice idolatry by worshiping idols because they never heard about the Christ. They don’t know it’s a sin, so they’re safe. Kudos!
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“An high look, and a proud heart, And the plowing of the wicked, is sin.” (Proverbs 21:4 ) These sins do not involve the will.
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Okay, you say if you know it’s a sin and do it anyways, it means they aren’t atoned for.
You have just given an out to the millions who practice idolatry by worshiping idols because they never heard about the Christ. They don’t know it’s a sin, so they’re safe. Kudos!
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“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10 )
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“An high look, and a proud heart, And the plowing of the wicked, is sin.” (
Proverbs 21:4 ) These sins do not involve the will.
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Huh? As @TCassidy put it...paraphrasing it Brother TC...
The wicked plow to raise crops. They raise crops to grow food. They then eat this food to keep their strength up as they rebel against God. It most certainly involves the will.
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“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (
Romans 3:10 )
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But those idolaters don’t know it’s wrong as they are worshiping an idol. They truly believe in their idol, and are doing what they think is right in their own eyes. So, by using your logic, they’re safe.
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They are still guilty in Adam.
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Huh? As
@TCassidy put it...paraphrasing it Brother TC...
The wicked plow to raise crops. They raise crops to grow food. They then eat this food to keep their strength up as they rebel against God. It most certainly involves the will.
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But whatever is not of faith is sin.
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Agreed.
Now, what sins have you committed against your will again?
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And the lost are devoid of faith. That’s why all sins, even the sin of adultery is forgiven at the point of salvation.
Time to get ready for Sunday School and worship service.
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Anything not of faith is sin.
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Remarriage after divorce is sin.
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And if lost before conversion, that too, is blotted out by the Lamb’s blood.
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Again, what sins have you committed against your will?
PLEASE answer my question, man!
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I said anything not of faith is sin apart from willing it.
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Can an alcoholic before conversion remain an alcoholic after conversion?
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Yes, if for no other reason that in some cases the physical addiction remains.
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Only if caught in the act and on the testimony of two or three reliable (impartial) witnesses.
Uriah could have divorced his pregnant wife since her infidelity would be obvious, but since there were no witnesses, she could not have been put to death.
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ONLY ON TWO
OR THREE WITNESSES CATCHING THEM IN THE ACT!
See, it does “matter” contrary to your claim.
Divorce for infidelity was much easier to prove that stoning for infidelity.
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As someone who grew up suffering all the consequences of poverty and abandonment that come from a father running off to play house with someone else’s wife ... I too support a return to stoning for adultery.
A statistical fact, children recover emotionally from the death of a parent faster than they do from the divorce of a parent.
What “two consenting adults” do can impact a LOT of other people.