i dont know what more Calvinistic even means....please put it in context.
Dr. Paige Patterson speaks out
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Dec 2, 2016.
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I think what is being addressed is what in some Bible Colleges and Seminaries is called "Snack Shop Theology." It would seem some of the students got fairly militant with it.
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I think that militant five-pointers incorrectly label choosing Christ as a "work" and characterize it as "earning." Faith, including saving faith, is not opposed to effort, it is opposed to earning. -
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To add:
some of the students got fairly militant with it and were starting to run amok.
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(By way of illustration, no matter how much I may want to walk on the ceiling like a fly, I can't do it because I am not a fly and thus walking on the ceiling is not within my nature.)
And this illustrates the error Arminians make. They confuse free will with the ability to make choices. They are not the same. But when properly defined the two views are seen to be compatible. :) -
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Mark Dever tweeted:
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The problem with the devil isn't God's love its the devil's own rejection.
From the catechism: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm
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393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
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Love of enemy is a quality of perfection that is God too.
Matthew 5
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Luke 15
1Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him. 2Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.”
3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
8“Or what woman, if she has ten silver coins and loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9“When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin which I had lost!’ 10“In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
God will "hate" the 99 and love the lost one. A good parent with 2 children, one is having a birthday party the other is in a hospital, the parent is going to go to the hospital.
As a Christian your priority should be the sinner to repent.
It may help to remember that a sin is something God doesn't want. The devil hating God is certainly a sin. The devil was once an angel most exalted one of all, anointed by God. Ezekiel 28.
If God hated the devil or anyone for that matter, The Devil would "win". Evil wants hatred, evil says violence, force, hatred gets things done.
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The problem with the devil isn't God's love its the devil's own rejection.
From the catechism: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm
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393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
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Love of enemy is a quality of perfection that is God too.
Matthew 5
43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Luke 15
1Now all the tax collectors and the sinners were coming near Him to listen to Him. 2Both the Pharisees and the scribes began to grumble, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.”
3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
8“Or what woman, if she has ten silver coins and loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? 9“When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the coin which I had lost!’ 10“In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
God will "hate" the 99 and love the lost one. A good parent with 2 children, one is having a birthday party the other is in a hospital, the parent is going to go to the hospital.
As a Christian your priority should be the sinner to repent.
It may help to remember that a sin is something God doesn't want. The devil hating God is certainly a sin. The devil was once an angel most exalted one of all, anointed by God. Ezekiel 28.
If God hated the devil or anyone for that matter, The Devil would "win". Evil wants hatred, evil says violence, force, hatred gets things done.
The devil is not sin, but he sins.[/QUOTE]
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wonder what that Purposeful Life Guy.....ahhhhh, oh Rick Warren would say?!? -
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Matthew Sattler shall be committed to the executioner. The latter shall take him to mthe square and there cut out his tongue, and then forge him fast to a wagon and there with glowing iron tongs twice tear pieces from his body, then on the way to the site of execution five times more as above and then burn his body to powder as an arch-heretic.
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Or even Matt Chandler....what does he hold contrary?
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