Think since jesus is Yahweh, answer is no...
Election And Predestination In Complete Harmony
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, Apr 12, 2017.
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I take your response as you saying that God is, in fact, bound in time.
You think that God is bound in time. Yes or no. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Is God bound in time?
My answer is no.
What is your answer, Rev?
Will you avoid the question or not? -
Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Scripture has been provided. You reject that God saying he is the "I Am" means that he is outside of time. You, therefore, impose upon God that he only exists in time...something that God, himself, created. So, in your view, God has bound himself within his creation and cannot get out of time.
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A person who would attack you, therefore, must be a _____ ______ and _____ (if I were to draw inferences and attack, I would fill in those blanks. :Cool -
Even Arminians and Semi-Pelagian's say no. -
SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
So if none understand, then those who know(exact opposite of not understanding), it shows regeneration by the Spirit is a must before they can understand and know God.
Ppl wanna focus on John 1:12 and think we Calvinists deny ppl receive Him. Au contraire mon ami. But when there are none who understand(none knowing God), none who seek Him, how can they receive Him in who they don't know(understand) and seek?
Now, these are the ppl who understand and seek Him...
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.[John 1:13]
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I was referring to some as not you, but others in the Body....
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Some believe that salvation requires God's part and our part. Predestination + man's response.
This really means that Christ's blood does not have infinite value. His blood, alone, was totally and completely sufficient to save us in eternity past. (God does not exist in time). Christ's work is finished. We have no part to add to our salvation.
Everyone hears God's outward call. Those who are predestined to perdition, God will not allow to also hear His inward call. The Elect will hear both calls. God works in their hearts. They can do nothing but receive Him.
God is not unjust. Some (the Elect) will receive mercy. The rest will receive eternal retribution for their deeds. -
tyndale1946 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
AMEN!... My Brother In The Lord Jesus Christ... Who is the common denominator in the following verses... Is it talking about man responsibility?... No God does it ALL!... Brother Glen
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
When we are given a gift does reaching out and receiving it from the giver over show that it is no longer a gift but something we worked for? I am unaware of this being the case ever. yet when it comes to salvation our reformed brethren want to apply such logic that in no case anywhere else gets applied. If someone says Mark I have this gift for you do I just let my hands hang loose at my side and do nothing to receive it? When I do receive it does anyone say that I worked for that gift? Does opening a present up that was given to me for my birthday mean it is no longer a gift.
When we take things like Spiritual death and give it power beyond what God and do, in other words limit God because of the power of spiritual death then I think we have take our understanding of spiritual death too far. -
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