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Exactly What Does the Apostle Peter Mean?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Saved-By-Grace, Jan 10, 2018.

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    Saved-By-Grace Well-Known Member

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    In Acts chapter 10 we read of the conversion of the Gentile, Cornelius, by the testimony of the Apostle Peter, who was commissioned by God to take the Gospel of his salvation, to his home. Reading Peter's words, we come across something very interesting:

    "So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears Him and does what is right is acceptable to Him" (verses 34-35)

    These are not the words of mere man, but that of Almighty God, spoken through His servant, Peter. Cornelius, we are told, was "a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God" (verse 2). The conversion of Cornelius and his household, was the Pentecost of the Gentiles, like chapter 2 of Acts, was that of the Jews.

    How do people understand the words of Peter in verses 34 and 35? It seems very clear that "WORKS" (does what is right), somehow is "acceptable" to God. However, we know that no person can ever "earn" their place in heaven, through any "good deeds" that they do, by themselves, as there is no "self-merit" in ones salvation, as it is from start to finish, "of the Lord". Because of his "good deeds", which was seen by the Lord, He arranged for the Apostle Peter to preach the Gospel for their salvation, upon hearing this, Good News, Cornelius and his household accepted the Message and gave their lives to Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour. The fact that "fearing God" and doing "what is right and acceptable to Him", did indeed play a role in his and his families salvation, cannot be undermined in any way.

    I do not use this passage to espouse a "works salvation", as I do not believe that this is any way taught in the entire Holy Bible.

    In the Book of Jonah we read, that after the people of Nineveh heard the Gospel Message from Jonah, that the kings "arose from his throne, removed his robe, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he issued a proclamation and published through Nineveh, “By the decree of the king and his nobles: Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything. Let them not feed or drink water, but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and let them call out mightily to God. Let everyone turn from his evil way (repent) and from the violence that is in his hands. Who knows? God may turn and relent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we may not perish.” (3:6-9)

    We then read of God's response:

    "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way (repented); and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not" (verse 10)

    It is very clear from this passage, that the "repenting" and "sorrow" of their sins, was "acceptable" to God, and when He "saw their work", not something they had "done to earn" their salvation, but their "repenting", and accepting what God had told them through Jonah, that caused God to save them!
     
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    34 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
    35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. Acts 10

    " God is no respecter of persons" - "not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles."

    "but in every nation" - "other sheep I have, which are not of this fold"

    "he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him" - "who will render to every man according to his works: to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:"

    24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2
     
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    Are you advocating a works salvation?
     
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    Is Peter? - "he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him"

    Is Paul? - "who will render to every man according to his works: to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life"

    Is James? - "by works a man is justified, and not only by faith"
     
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    No, neither of them do. It is not Biblical!
     
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    ....wow, thought I was quoting the Bible....
     
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    it is also easy to misquote or take out of context!
     
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    Well I did neither. You just don't like what the scriptures say on the subject and are too lazy to roll up your sleeves, dig in and research, and come up with a BIBLICAL explanation to the obvious contradiction of your 'sola fide'.
     
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    Psst - little known secret...:)

    Its what motivates the good works that makes them pleasing to God:

    Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    HankD
     
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    You will of course note from the account in Acts 10, that God sent Peter to preach the Gospel of salvation to Cornelius, at a later time. His "good deeds" that "were acceptable" to God, were obviously not enough for him or his household to be saved by. If these were, then surely there would be no reason for Peter to tell them the Good News, in order that they might believe and be saved? Peter is very detailed in his Gospel presentation with Jesus' life, death and resurrection at its center, with verse 46 summing up what he says: "To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.”, where "faith" and "repentance" are central to true Biblical conversion (see also Mark 1:15). This is what I mean that any Scripture can be taken out of its context, or viewed on its own and not in relation to the whole teaching of the Bible.
     
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    Totally agree! Without God taking the first step in the salvation of any sinner, it is impossible! Salvation, from start to finish is of God, Who is the "author and finisher of our faith" (Hebrews 12:2) AMEN!

    Ad Dei gloriam!
     
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    For you that are saved, you are "indwelled" with the Holy Ghost, correct? But does he "fall upon" or "fill" you all of the time? In my own case, unfortunately not. But when He DOES, it is virtually always when I meditate on or HEAR the WORD, as these folks did, and anyone who happens to be near me can witness a change in my countenance and behavior.(except I don't "speak with other tongues") This scripture does say that these folks had ALREADY heard the Gospel. It merely says that "the Holy Ghost fell upon them" and that they were baptized, but where in the passage does it say that Cornelius himself was "converted" after hearing Peter? I believe that He already HAD been at an earlier time..

    Acts 10: 34
    Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
    44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

    And, this incident was an eye opening, learning experience for the Jewish believers......because they witnessed the Spirit of God filling Gentiles

    45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost
     
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    I think what's stoving him up, and no doubt all the 'sola fides' on this topic of 'works', is this was true of Cornelius BEFORE he had heard the gospel. This is fallout from the erroneous doctrine of 'means regeneration'. The only 'means' God uses to quicken is "The Spirit where He willeth doth blow". Anyone who believes has already been quickened by the Spirit, which could occur YEARS before conversion.
     
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    amen.

    Personally i don't see a great deal of "tension' between you and bro redneck :)

    HankD
     
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    In verse 44 we read that the Holy Spirit was given to these "who heard the Word (Gospel Message)". Where "heard" also includes "believed and repented". This can be seen from the further account by Peter in chapter 11, where he says:

    "And he told us how he had seen the angel stand in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa and bring Simon who is called Peter; he will declare to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning.And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.” (14-18)
     
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    I wonder? It appears from what he says that he believes in a "works salvation", which he is trying to show from Scripture, which I completely reject as alien to the teachings of the Holy Bible.
     
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    Brother,
    I use the King James and, according to it, they only said he was "warned from God".

    21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come? 22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
     
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    Read chapter 11...
     
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    Well, I don't see it that way SBG.

    Might have to do with a Primitive Baptist view of the timing of the rebirth of individual children of God.


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    Are you a doer of the law? You better be.

    Have you fulfilled the law? You better have.
     
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