This garbage has gone on long enough ! I posted the plain Scriptures that say "whoever". You haven't posted any that say, "whoever if elect". You haven't posted any because THERE AREN'T ANY! Time to drop your calvinist trash ! It's phony as a $3 bill.
Faith is the result of Election !
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Brightfame52, Feb 1, 2024.
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Here's a SCRIPTURAL reminder, & PROOFyour calvinist garbage is false !
John 3:15-16“Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved."
Acts 10:43 "To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”
Romans 10:13 "For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
NOT ONE "WHOEVER IF ELECT" ! And who does "whoever" exclude ?????????????????????????
Time for your Scripture-denying to end on this BIBLE-BELIEVING board before you lead some newbie into your horse feathers ! -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
He wants us to believe his version but he will not even say if God is sovereign so I have to conclude that his god is not. -
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@Silverhair
13 But he[God] is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
14 For he[God] performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
Plus you have made you limited god duplicitous. He says he want all to come to a knowledge of the truth so as to be saved when he actually is going to send the vast majority to hell because he decided not to allow them to trust in him. That's quite the god that you follow. -
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Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
The word translated chosen is also translated election by the KJV. -
[G1588 & G1589 are from G1586 is what you are seeing. compare Mark 13:20 G1588, G1586 both used in distinction] -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
BF you are confusing what God desires and what He does in response to the free actions of people. As you quoted in your post ""...because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved." 2Th 2:10
His desire as stated is that all will come to salvation but since He does not force them to do so. He has allowed man to have a LFW. The fact that He blinds them is in response to their continued rejection of Him.
That is what the sovereign God of the bible does.
Your continued misreading of the text of the bible results in your ineffectual god of your own making doing what you need him to do. -
Silverhair Well-Known Member
You want to call faith righteous then go for it, it"s not biblical but then I have seen a number of non-biblical ideas presented on here. -
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I explained the 'strong delusion' once, from its context. No comments from you on the Scriptures I posted. IMO, you're just a quack who doesn't belong on a Christian board.
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
I have a brother and a brother in law that have both flat out denied Christ and yet I still pray that they will repent and turn to Christ for their salvation. Does that mean that I have more concern for them that God does? NO But under your way of thinking it would.
You do not understand the love of God for His creation. Actually you want to limit God's love. I am not sure what you think of God as you will not even say if He is sovereign. -
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Silverhair Well-Known Member
I had another member say I should not refer to someone as a hyper calvinist. So would it be better if I just said you were misguided or ill-informed.
You have been consistent in your denial of clear scripture so perhaps it is neither but rather just a willful blindness to the truth.
Either way I will pray the Sovereign God of the bible will see fit to open your eyes to the truth of His inspired word.
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