Faith Received
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by preacher4truth, Jun 20, 2011.
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I believe Gods Word that He granted My Faith.
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I had my own faith, God didn't give it to me.
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I have received everything from God, including salvation, but had my own faith.
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God does not get the glory for giving me faith. I owned it inherently.
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God not only granted me faith, He also granted me repentance, and salvation.
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I repented and believed by my own power (faith) within myself, God did not give it me.
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I praise God that He alone Granted All of it, and None of it was on my own.
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It disturbs me that God grants faith to whom He Wills.
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God knows best and knows to whom He should grant these things.
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I simply trust God in this and in His Granting to Whom He wills to Do So
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Multiple votes are allowed.
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DHK said: ↑freeatlast said: ↑I am a missionary. The field I went to, I went by faith. Notice the phrase "by faith." It is a prepositional phrase defining what I did. I went by faith.
Likewise in the verses above. You have a prepositional phrase "of faith" which defines "work". The work was done "of faith." Faith in and of itself is not a work. But here it is used as a prepositional phrase defining the word "work."Click to expand...Click to expand... -
preacher4truth said: ↑That is correct theology that you give about mans heart and hardening.
That is certainly possible brother. But, we do have one on here (in this thread) who claims God does not give faith to unbelievers as a gift of grace.
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DHK said: ↑This of course is utter nonsense and has no Scriptural support.
God is sovereign, but you wrongly define sovereignty. Never does the Bible describe God as a bully, a mind-controlling hypnotist, a maker of robots (which in your theology we all are). You have a sad, sad view of God.
God is love. He desires to have a relationship with his children. He desires his children to fellowship with Him. Read 1John chapter one and Ephesians chapter one. He knows our thoughts, but he didn't program us. Our thoughts are of our own choosing. He simply knows ahead of time what thoughts we will choose to make.
Your statements make no sense in the light of such commands as:
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (Philippians 4:8)
--Why the command to "think on these things" if God already put the thoughts in my mind to think on. I shouldn't have to worry about it. Why hasn't God put all good thoughts in my mind. According to your theology every evil thought I may have it is God's fault and therefore God that is sinning. You are attributing sin to God.
Let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus.
--not necessary if God already controls my thoughts.
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (2 Corinthians 10:5)
--Not necessary if God controls my thoughts.
--What is right? You or the Bible?
I go with the Bible.Click to expand...
YOU are the one claiming God the bully, because of His Scriptural Sovereignty, not me. I can't help what Scripture manifestations of God cause you to think. That's all on you.
God certainly allows Satan to give us bad thoughts. Who then is the Sovereign in control of it then? God, or Satan?
The Bible is correct, nothing I stated is in correct, it is all Biblical. God is in total control and I trust Him and would never call Him a bully.
And I'm not attributing sin to God. More words you try to put in my mouth. But I'm OK with that. This simply shows more of your not grasping Sovereignty. In your theology, you would say the same thing to Job, who said the things I said, "Shall we not receive good at the hand of God, and not also receive evil?" implying from God....but guess what friend, "there was no sin found in his lips" for doing so. But his friends judged him the same as you are judging me.
Your remarks to demean me don't become you as a Christian.
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preacher4truth said: ↑YOU are the one claiming God the bully, because of His Scriptural Sovereignty, not me. I can't help what Scripture manifestations of God cause you to think. That's all on you.
God certainly allows Satan to give us bad thoughts. Who then is the Sovereign in control of it then? God, or Satan?
The Bible is correct, nothing I stated is in correct, it is all Biblical. God is in total control and I trust Him and would never call Him a bully.
And I'm not attributing sin to God. More words you try to put in my mouth. But I'm OK with that. This simply shows more of your not grasping Sovereignty. In your theology, you would say the same thing to Job, who said the things I said, "Shall we not receive good at the hand of God, and not also receive evil?" implying from God....but guess what friend, "there was no sin found in his lips" for doing so. But his friends judged him the same as you are judging me.
Your remarks to demean me don't become you as a Christian.
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God desires a relationship with His children, but didn't Jesus say the Devil as his own kids to?
If God did reconcile all of us thru the Cross, why does satan have his kids still?
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Why all of this anger towards even the hint of the idea that God just MIGHT have elected out of a reprobate race His own people for His glory?
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JesusFan said: ↑Question that I had after reading all of this from DHK....
God desires a relationship with His children, but didn't Jesus say the Devil as his own kids to?Click to expand...
If God did reconcile all of us thru the Cross, why does satan have his kids still?Click to expand...
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (2 Corinthians 5:19)
--Did he or didn't he reconcile the world unto himself? What does the verse teach? The answer is given more clearly in verse 21:
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)
--On the cross Christ was made sin. He took the penalty of the sin of the world upon himself. Why? That we, who believe, could be made the righteousness of God in him. It is the only way. But God is not finished with us yet.
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. (2 Corinthians 5:20)
--God wants us to be reconciled to him, and he has given us a ministry of reconciliation as ambassadors of Christ to take the gospel to every creature that others also may be reconciled to him.
Reconciliation can only happen when one believes on the finished work of Christ. Not all believe. Thus there remains many who are not children of God.
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Why all of this anger towards even the hint of the idea that God just MIGHT have elected out of a reprobate race His own people for His glory?
Almost like mad at God for daring to suggest such a thing!Click to expand...
I think the problem lies in the fine Biblical points of God's Sovereignty, such as, does He control the outcome of all things? I believe the Scriptures say He does clearly. I don't believe for one second that He does not control all things, even the thoughts and decisons of man, but that since He does, he grants to those whom He wills to grant salvation.Click to expand...
My response was such because I find that this view of God, in the light of Scripture, a heretical view of God. It makes God a bully, so powerful that every creature is simply a robot with no power even to think one thought. This is totally unbiblical; has no basis in Scripture whatsoever. Thus my reaction to the post, which I tried to refute with ample Scripture. -
JesusFan said: ↑Question that I had after reading all of this from DHK....
God desires a relationship with His children, but didn't Jesus say the Devil as his own kids to?
If God did reconcile all of us thru the Cross, why does satan have his kids still?
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Why all of this anger towards even the hint of the idea that God just MIGHT have elected out of a reprobate race His own people for His glory?
Almost like mad at God for daring to suggest such a thing!Click to expand...
Now, what I know of you here, you are "fair, balanced and gentle" in spirit. SURELY you do not think that ANYONE around here is "mad at God".
Now speaking for myself, (and possibly for some others). I try hard not to be overly critical about theological positions different than my own, what I admittedly "do do" is to be critical of what I feel unwarranted sarcastic snips, obviously then I respond sharply. ( I don't usually "feel good" about that.....well maybe just for the briefest of moments.)
I say this to say (admit) there is always the possibility that I personally could have all things wrong theologically speaking. But for the moment, I am content and confident being in the class of Non-Cal (no name etc.)
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