1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by steaver, Jan 21, 2008.
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So how is avoiding opposition to false science have anything to do with this? If you are anti-science, give up your automobile, your medical care, and all the other wonders modern science has given us.
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FTR, I do believe that abortion is way too commonplace. I think late term abortion is a bad thing that should only be reserved for extreme cases, such as mental or physical well-being of the woman, to save her life, etc. That said, early term abortion and the use of Plan B should remain unrestricted.
In order to reduce abortion, sex education should be mandatory and contraceptives readily available to all who want them. Sex education includes abstinence as part of the program, but also the use of contraceptives, how they work, and how to avoid getting pregnant if one does not remain abstinent. -
THank you for the input Chessic. You see the very reason I was slow to give scripture and sure to only give one at a time. HP was not about to consider God's word on this matter.
God's word does declare a child is conceived. That is clear as it gets. But God's word is not good enough here in this discussion.
There are many scriptures yet to mention. But why bother? This thread is over ten pages and will be closed. It is sad that Christians must argue such a simple truth.
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Between science and Scripture, we know that a child, at various times in his or her development inside his or her mother's womb has:
human DNA
a beating human heart
measurably human brain waves
emotions, including joy
pain and reaction to it
dreams
the ability to move on its own
memories
thought
fear
contact with the Holy Spirit
Scripture teaches that God himself knits us together in the womb, and each child is made in the very image of God. During the final trimester, the child is growing in size more than developing new parts. During the second trimester, the child has a human heart, human brainwaves, feels pain, and reacts to stimuli. At 18 days after conception, the human heart is beating.
Please reconsider your position on this issue. God is busily at work inside a mother's womb, growing and fleshing out his most prized possession, that which He loves so much he could not let it die in sin; He had to go save it. -
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Magnetic Poles said:Chessic said:Please do not joke about the butchery of children. It is not a source for amusement.I did not. I was talking about the fallacy of using loaded words. You need to go back and read.Click to expand...
Magnetic Poles said:There is an argument to be made that there is scriptural evidence that post-birth infants are not worthy of life, as the angel of death, sent by God, did a mass murder of innocent infants at the passover in Egypt.Click to expand...
Magnetic Poles said:When you are a raped and pregnant 14 year old, come back an tell us about the "discomfort". How totally callous. Not to mention the emotional pain.Click to expand...
And your reading skills are deteriorating faster than your morals. Check the subject of the discomfort of which I spoke and you'll see I was referring to the pregnancy not the rape. The rape is in the past in your scenario, murdering the unborn child isn't going to change that. And yes, pregnancy is uncomfortable, judging by the 5 I have been present for. No matter how awful the rape, it does not justify killing the child, nor teaching the rape victim that by killing the child and pretending no pregnancy happened, she can get on with her life.
Amazing to hear one who advocates the murder of children calling anyone "callous."
My fiance was raped on her way home after we'd spent the evening together on a date. I'm familiar with the emotional consequences from the point of view of the loved one who tries to be supportive and has no help in his own grief. That was close enough to see some of the emotional torment she went through. When we were married and she became pregnant unexpectedly and began throwing out the idea of abortion during her second trimester, I experienced the terror of being helpless to prevent the murder of my own child. Fortunately, she did not go through with it and now lives for her kids; they are the greatest blessing in her life.
Rape, no matter how awful, doesn't justify killing children.
Magnetic Poles said:When you said that scripture states life begins at conception. No verse you cited states as much.Click to expand...
Magnetic Poles said:Again, do some research...this is not renaming. These are valid terms. YOU are guilty of what you accuse me of by calling a fertilized cell a "baby".Click to expand...
Magnetic Poles said:Nowhere have I stated that all the things that make us human don't appear during gestation. They just aren't there at conception. Don't put strawmen up to attack, please.Click to expand...
Magnetic Poles said:Like I told steaver, we will never agree on this and could debate it for a long time. Therefore, I think we should call it a day.Click to expand...Click to expand...Click to expand... -
BaptistBeliever said:Of course you realize that Roe vs. Wade was decided by a heavily Republican dominated Supreme Court. Ironic isn't it in the sense that the Republican party presents itself as the anti-abortion party?Click to expand...
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Bob Alkire said:They were the liberal party of the dayClick to expand...
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The scriptures is loaded with the "person" status of the life God is knitting together in the womb beggining at conception, or zygote if you will.
You will not find the word "abortion" in the bible, thus some will take the postion that therefor the bible is silent on the issue. This of course is a cop out for underlying motives to accept the lost world's push to be politically correct and follow their views of life, casting God out of the equasion.
Exd 21:22¶If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].
Exd 21:23And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
This is clear as the nose on thy face. The woman miscarries in ANY form and the child is harmed unto death, it is life for life.
There is no wiggle room, there is no silence from God's word on the matter. Abortion by definition is ending a life. Deal with it and repent my friends.
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Psa 139:13For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [and] wonderfully made: marvellous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well.
My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, [and] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them.
From zygote to birth!
The scriptures are endless for declaring that a human life being begins at conception.
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steaver said:Not really. There are some democrats who are pro-life and some republicans who are pro-murder. But by a large percentage the democratic party has embraced murder and the republican party has embraced life.
I believe it was in the last election for president that the democratic party refused to even allow a pro-life democrat to speak at their convention.
God bless! :thumbs:Click to expand...
You're twisting what I said. I simply said that we have legal abortion because of the decision of a heavily Republican Supreme Court. Look it up. -
BaptistBeliever said:You're twisting what I said. I simply said that we have legal abortion because of the decision of a heavily Republican Supreme Court. Look it up.Click to expand...
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And once again, our buddy steaver uses loaded language...pro-murder?? Sheesh! And still, injecting opinion into scripture.Click to expand...
The word trinity is not found in the scriptures either. You do see the trinity though. You just have chosen to reject the obvious for some reason.
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You said......
Of course you realize that Roe vs. Wade was decided by a heavily Republican dominated Supreme Court. Ironic isn't it in the sense that the Republican party presents itself as the anti-abortion party?Click to expand...
Not really. There are some democrats who are pro-life and some republicans who are pro-murder. But by a large percentage the democratic party has embraced murder and the republican party has embraced life.
I believe it was in the last election for president that the democratic party refused to even allow a pro-life democrat to speak at their convention.Click to expand...
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And once again, our buddy steaver uses loaded language...pro-murder?? Sheesh! And still, injecting opinion into scripture.Click to expand...
1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Woe, wait a minute John, aren't you loading the word hate there a bit harshly with murder there?
Abortion is killing, killing innocent human life is murder. I will wear the badge of loaded language with honor for the sake of those little ones.
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