Like Winman would say if be were here, Calvinists say the exact opposite of what Scripture says
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." Acts 2:40
Fictionalized Non-Calvinist Sermon Snip
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Rippon, Aug 24, 2014.
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The irony is EVERYONE is justified and indwelt not believing your doctrine. Coincidence? Hardly. When one puts away pride and wanting to be in what feels like a spiritually superior "club", one will run from that doctrine.
Why does God determine His " elect" to all start off as non Cal's? He desires all of His new creations to believe falsehood right from the start?
At any rate your answer is found in John 3:18...but you already knew that. -
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At any rate you appear to be doing the whining about me. Go back under your bridge. -
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Look at it like this Brother Webdog. When we're saved, we're babes. We don't understand anything much at all. All we know is what we're taught. It takes God to help us grow in grace and knowledge of the truth. I had a desire to know if what I believed would hold up to the scriptures. That is all I'm saying...
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1 Cor. 2:14...we were fleshly and knew only what we were taught and accepted it. That's why JW's, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, suicide bombers run rampant all over the earth. They've been taught that their whole lives.
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Look, you may have them, but I don't have the answer to every single solitary verse in the bible. That's why I said about Matt. 23:37 in the manner I did. Was that Christ crying out as a man? I don't know. But I do know that He laid down His life for the sheep, being their good Shepherd. I know He prayed not for the world, but for those the Father gave Him. Is everybody that will ever be born a sheep and morph into a goat when they die lost?
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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These may be fair and debatable questions for you. But do they relate to the scenario posed in the OP?
1. Would the typical non-Cal preach that way? No.
2. Would the typical non-Cal audience respond in that way? No. -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
God does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked....but they WOULD not. -
He wept over the city of Jerusalem.
But on the other hand:
Matthew 11:20 Then he began to denounce the cities in which most of his mighty works had been done, because they didn't repent.
Instead of weeping he denounced cities such as Capernaum, Chorazin, and Bethsaida. In all these cities the inhabitants were Jews. They had all heard Christ. They had all seen His miracles.
The one He wept over; the others he denounced.
I believe he wept because in his divine omniscience (as he also used with Nathan), He saw the future destruction, the human tragedy that was just on the horizon. Some of them would pay a hefty spiritual price, being the leaders of those who would put Christ to death.
The majority would be cruelly slaughtered by the Roman army, and why?
Because they refused him! -
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