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Featured Four Unities Prove 1st Century Rapture: Good News for all Christians

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by asterisktom, May 6, 2021.

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  1. George Antonios

    George Antonios Well-Known Member

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    I honestly don't understand what you just said.
     
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    He literally fulfilled the role of the forerunner, according to prophecy.

    peace to you
     
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  3. kyredneck

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    Agreed.

    He DID NOT literally raise valleys, level mountains, straighten highways.....
     
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    Glad we agree.

    I guess I’m misunderstanding the position you are taking. Do you think the role of the forerunner of the Christ has not yet been fulfilled?

    peace to you
     
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    <sigh> Of course the forerunner of the Christ was John the Baptist. Besides raising valleys, leveling mountains, grading the rough places, and straightening highways, he was also Elijah. Matthew 17:12-13.
     
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    What part?
     
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    If Peter's words are entirely metaphorical, then all Christians being removed from the earth in 70CE is also metaphorical. Did the Apostles metaphorically remain to keep evangelizing the sinners that metaphorically burned, yet metaphorically still remained on earth?

    Honestly, the preterist position is utterly untenable regarding the return of Christ in 70CE. Parts of Jesus prophetic word regarding Israel certainly came to fruition, but the whole of Jesus prophetic word has yet to be fulfilled.
     
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    Sigh...when Jesus said "It is finished" he not only was referring to the penal substitutionary atonement for his sheep, but also the end of the Mosaic Covenant. The New Covenant took its place.
     
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    So, when exactly did Matt 5:18 take place?

    Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Col 2:14

    That still does not negate that 2 Peter 3:12 was future tense to when Peter wrote . - Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, (vi Fut Pas 3 Pl) and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    The heavens and earth shall pass away?
     
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    Why make the church, the fullness of the Gentiles sound like a gap per Genesis 1:1?


    There is a gap between the life of Christ, so the Gentile church can enter Paradise. Should the Jews have been more inclusive in the 1400 years before Christ, or should God have ruled the Nations with the Hammer of Grace? Certainly some barbarians thought God having a Hammer was appropriate.

    You all make it sound like the church should have been first and then the Mosaic Covenant. Despite the fact the church was a worse whore, than Israel, the church was stronger around the world for the last 1991 years, than those who had to live under the Law. For all those who want the church over and done with in the first century, and the NT all wrapped up and history complete, seem to have had too much prosperity, and not enough hardship.

    Prosperity thrives where the Gospel is more universally appealing. Because the church is confessing sin, and God is healing the Land. That is how the church is supposed to operate. The church should not be defined by history. All should look back and see how the church defined history, good and bad. Then Remember no one keeps track of good news. All people tend to record, is the bad.
     
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    John the Baptist was not literally Elijah. That would be reincarnation. Is the claim here, Jesus let His disciples think reincarnation was a valid reality? They just saw Elijah come to earth and fulfill the prophecy. It was not John the Baptist on the mount of Transfiguration. Should Jesus have pointed out they just witnessed the event of Elijah coming to earth? Should not Elijah appearing with Jesus accomplish the prophecy?
     
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    I don't know why you are sighing. I agree with all that. But you miss my point. Read it again.
     
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    You apply an "utterly untenable" interpretative grid over the Bible and then fault Preterism for your own weird grid. Both Preterists and futurists recognize that the Bible does have both metaphorical and literal passages. Your comments above make it sound like it is an either-or proposition.
     
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    Probably here, or the 'countdown' started here and culminated with the destruction of the temple et al.:

    50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
    51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; Mt 27

    Right. 2 Peter was written 65-68 AD, temple sacrificial system destroyed 70 AD. Consider these statements from Peter:

    who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of times for your sake, 1 Pet 1:20

    But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore of sound mind, and be sober unto prayer: 1 Pet 4.7

    For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Pet 4:17

    And in covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose sentence now from of old lingereth not, and their destruction slumbereth not. 2 Pet 2.3
     
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    ...lol, K....
     
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    I guess he is not "willing to accept it".
     
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    You ever meditate on this one?:

    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Mt 5

    ....ye also were made dead to the law........we have been discharged from the law..... Ro 7:4,6

    ....the old covenant......is done away..... 2 Cor 3:14

    ....having abolished ......the law of commandments contained in ordinances....... Eph 2:15
     
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    ...that's kinda what I wrote:

    "...Probably here, or the 'countdown' started here and culminated with the destruction of the temple et al.:

    50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
    51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; Mt 27..."
     
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    Right, he denied it:

    21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou the prophet? And he answered, No. Jn 1

    But...you think maybe his Daddy told him about this?:

    17 And he shall go before his face in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to walk in the wisdom of the just; to make ready for the Lord a people prepared for him. Lu 1

    ...and Jesus makes no bones about it:

    12 but I say into you, that Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but did unto him whatsoever they would. Even so shall the Son of man also suffer of them.
    13 Then understood the disciples that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. Mt 17
     
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