Eladar, I think now might be a good time.
Freemasonry
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This is part of want is taught in Freemasonry. Tell what other religions teach this.
Lion of the Tribe of Judah
God in the Threefold aspect of the Trinity
Jehovah -
This is from the Study done by the SBC on Freemasonry that Freemasonry says the following:
(Because of an unshaken faith in the merits of th Lion of the Tribe of Judah, we shall gain admission into the celestial Lodge above where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides)
The above statement was taken from Gary Leazer Ph.D. who done some of the investigating for the SBC
This is what the Study from the SBC says Freemasonry says.
In Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
So according to this statement in the Study the SBC says Freemasonry says Faith in what Jesus Christ done it what gets us into Heaven. -
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From Freemasonrywatch.com, a fuller quote of the same:
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That's a stupendously profound statement of a Mason's faith having been in Christ. But it doesn't stop there. Notice the subtle change in the next sentence? "we shall gain admission into the celestial Lodge above." Strange, earlier, we were talking about rituals without the name of Christ in them, and they said "might" gain admission, now with Jesus firmly in place in ritual, we find the words changed to "we shall." Pretty telling, wouldn't you say?
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[ May 20, 2004, 01:24 AM: Message edited by: TheWorm ]
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Eladar,
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Worm,
It is the testimony of God on this subject.
God does not force anyone to agree with Him. He will allow anyone to continue stumbling on in the confusion of man made philosophies and meanderings. They will in due time reap the unfortunate consequences of turning a blind eye to Gods truth in order to hold to the erronious philosphies of men, and various false religious systems.
In our human pride we tend to cling to things we like, are just used to, or that hold some very personal attachment...even in the face of Gods truth.
I've done that in times in the past, and it is a glorious and very liberating thing to come into agreement with God, and His truth.
God bless,
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Worm,
Let me try this one more time.
Worm...
THIS.....IS.....NOW.....Worm.
IT.....IS.....NOT.....THE.....TIME.....OF.....TIMOTHY.
THIS....IS....(((NOW))).
*NOW*...we have the completed word of God, and that is precisely what God is referring to, now.
Let me ask you this, according to this absurd theory of yours does Christs teaching that "you must be born again" only apply to Nicodemous...since thats who He said it to 2000 years ago?
Grace and peace,
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Jacob, thankyou for the material on the Lion of Judah and the research of the SBC professer. I had never seen that before. Is there a website where the work of Gary Leazer is published?
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Think how hard it must have been for the Jews dealing with the Christians after Pentecost. After all, they could point to every place in the Word of God where it pointed out the errors of this bunch of ruffians. And the one place it most specifically denounced them was in its estimation of their leader. The description of such a one was, and had always been, one of condemnation: "cursed is he who hangs on a tree." How could they even suspect that God was now reversing the curse, taking the instrument of the greatest torture the world had ever known, and transforming it into the greatest deed the world has ever known? And there were so many of them who simply could not let go of the interpretation of the Word, of events and circumstances around them, of the times that God had proclaimed, and thus wound up persecuting and even condemning these despised people to cruel and horrible deaths.
Not that I in any way try to make any comparison here other than by analogy. You do, after all, take the same strict, literal interpretive road that they did, using the Word to accuse and malign, so certain of their own views that they refused to hear any other and thus, as Gamaliel had warned them, wound up "fighting against God."
It can be a very easy thing to take the easy road and chime in with those who seem to be right, and seem to be the most able to prove what they say, and can appeal to all the sources and means at their disposal that seem to convince them they are right. That can be a temptation that is just too sweet to resist. I've done that in times in the past, and it is a glorious and very liberating thing to come into agreement with God, and His truth. And sometimes His truth is not what we thought, and we have to realize that what we thought was His truth, was actually ours. That's not an easy process, and it's one that took many months and years of processing and searching, before finally realizing that I was criticizing and condemning those whom I thought were foes, but whom I afterwards found to be brothers.
God bless you, I wish you no ill, and hope that in spite of disagreements, you wish me none either, but I must take the course my Jesus has laid out for me, and wear without shame the name of Freemason that so many misunderstood Christian brothers have done who have gone this way before me.
TW
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THAT.....WAS.....THEN......OUR.....DISCUSSION.....WAS......ABOUT......THAT......DAY......AND.....TIME.......NOT......((THIS))......ONE
1. The point you sought to make had to do with what it meant to be "complete and fully equipped"
2. Your definition of "complete and fully equipped" was "the 66 books of the Bible, OT and NT, that's God's standard"
3. Since this was written to---are you listening?----to TIMOTHY----the definition was faulty, since in no way could he be equipped with a half-dozen books that had not yet been written.
Maybe you can write the NT scholars who determined what those dates were, and see if they can't fudge the dates a little bit for you. It can't hurt, since you seem to have grabbed every other straw you can to keep from admitting a simple misstep.
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Ben W
The Study is no longer published I tried to get a copy of it from an ANti-Masonic website but the Mod would not let me have it. Dr. Gary Leazer wrote a book on the issue called Fundimentlism and Freemasonry you can find some of the material in it. -
It seems as if this thread has served it's purpose so the thread will close. Thanks for all the responses, a lot of you have been very helpful with the knowledge you've shared.
Gina
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