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Genuine God-Given Faith
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by KenH, Sep 26, 2021.
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The speaker is Randy Wages
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Salvation, not instilled faith, is the gift in Ephesians 2:8-9. This this video is just another regurgitation of false doctrine.
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"it is the gift of God" clearly refers to faith as the gift of God. A spiritually dead corpse can't have faith in anything. As a matter of fact, a spiritually dead corpse can't respond spiritually to anything. It's dead. God must give life to the spiritually dead corpse.
Ezekiel 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
Ezekiel 37:5-6 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; -
Next we get the fiction that being "dead in sin" means unable to seek God or receive the gospel. Calvinism just poured their "total spiritual inability" false claim into the vague impact of being spiritually dead. Pure twaddle.
We are made alive together with Christ, thus when God transfers us from the domain of darkness into Christ spiritually. -
Ezekiel 11:1-20 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: that they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
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Did anyone say Salvation is not "of the Lord?" Nope. Did anyone say salvation depends of the man who wills or runs? Nope - salvation depends on God, Romans 9:16. Did anyone say we are not a new creation after we are regenerated after we are placed in Christ? Nope - on and on, red herring after red herring. -
Ephesians 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. (Emphasis mine) -
"No one is chosen before they existed"
And this is what I actually said:
"No one is chosen before they existed as non-chosen people." This statement is biblically valid as found in 1 Peter 2:9-10.
When you have to rely on falsehood to defend doctrine, the doctrine is dubious.
Yes, before creation God chose Christ to be His Redeemer, His "Lamb of God" and therefore chose corporately (but not individually) those His redeemer would redeem. -
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John Gill takes down your argument quite well:
Which in time were not a people
"A "Loammi" being put upon them; see ( Hosea 1:9 Hosea 1:10 Hosea 2:23 ) to which the apostle here refers: God's elect, whether among Jews or Gentiles, were, from eternity, his chosen people, and his covenant people; and, as such, were given to Christ, and they became his people, and his care and charge; and he saved them by his obedience, sufferings, and death, and redeemed them to himself, a peculiar people: but then, before conversion, they are not a people formed by God for himself, and his praise; nor Christ's willing people, either to be saved by him, or to serve him; nor are they, nor can they be truly known by themselves, or others, to be the people of God: the Syriac version gives the true sense of the phrase, by rendering it "these who before were not" (Nwbvx) , "reckoned or accounted a people"; that is, by others:
but are now the people of God;
being regenerated, called, and sanctified, they are avouched by God to be his people; they have the witness of the Spirit to their spirits, that they are the people of God; they can then claim their relation to God, and are known, acknowledged, and called the people of God, by others:
which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy;
being called formerly, Loruhamah, ( Hosea 1:6 Hosea 2:23 ) which passages the apostle has in view: before conversion there is mercy in God's heart towards his elect, and so there is in the covenant of grace, and which was shown in the provision of his Son, as a Saviour, in the mission of him, and redemption by him; but this is not manifested to them, until they are begotten again, according to abundant mercy, and then they obtain mercy; having in their regeneration an evident display of the mercy of God towards them, and an application of his pardoning grace and mercy, through the blood of his Son, unto them. -
God did not have His Son die and suffer for sins and then sit back and hope that somewhere along the line someone, somewhere will decide some how, some way to bring life to his spiritually dead soul all by his lonesome(by being smarter than others? Who knows with such a man-centered doctrine since various churches teach various means by which they erroneously believe that man can save himself). No. God is the giver of ALL life - physical and spiritual. Man has nothing to do with making himself born physically, man has nothing to do with making himself born spiritually. Salvation is not 50% of God and 50% of man. Salvation is not even 99% of God and 1% of man. Salvation is 100% of God. Period. "Salvation is of the Lord." - Jonah 2:9 -
Did anyone say Christ did not die for all people? Nope - so obfuscation.
Does God individually choose every individual saved? Yes!!
Claiming the biblical view is "man-centered" is just more Calvinist smokescreed.
Do anyone merit salvation because they are smarter, kinder, or better than other sinners? Nope - so yet another red herring...
And you need not apologize for ruffling my feathers, you should have apologized for misrepresenting my statement. -
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Eph 2:1 Also you—being dead in the trespasses and the sins,
Put plainly there is no quickening in Eph 2:1
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