Just Look Around.....
.....And you will see that many denominations are now ordaining homosexuals and conducting marriage ceremony of homosexuals. The no longer require that a Christian be born-again, and have totally ceased the practice of water baptism.
And this is just the tip of the spiritual iceberg when it comes to deviation from Scritpure...
These same churches are led by the need to practice political correctness, social tolerance and ecumenical unity that join them in partnership with any denominations. The Word demands that the shepherd practice Scriptural and spiritual discernment and discretion when it comes to where they lead the flock for feeding as well as whom and what they allow to come in and mingle (fellowship) with the flock.
has the Christian Church Redefined Hell and Homosexuality?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by JesusFan, Nov 15, 2011.
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righteousdude2 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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2) You mentioned smoking and drinking. Neither are said to be sin in scriptures, but I advise against both. If a person claims to get saved and remains in the practice of sin they did not get saved. 1John 2:4 and 3:9.
3) It is not about being perfect. If we never sin again we will still not be perfect within ourselves so you need to stop trying to justify sinning by claiming we are not perfect. While it is true that most Christians continue to sin from time to time after salvation it is never a practice. Saying a Christian is a sinner is not biblical as the term is used to designate a lost person. We who have been born again are those who are washed and in regards to sin and we are "such were some of you" saints 1 Cor 6.
4) the answer is yes certain sins do repulse more then others and they should although the child of God should be repulsed at any sin, especially their own. Certain sins repulse God more then others so it should be the same with us. If you read the scriptures He makes it clear that some sins are greater then others John 19:11. Also He calls some sins an abomination and others He does not so yes certain sins are greater then others. Different sins brought different punishments in scripture. Some brought the death penalty and other did not so yes there is greater sins. That is not to suggest that the least of sin will not cost a person their soul or if we do not do the biggies we are better then another. Paul felt he was the chief of sinners because of his past sins. That is the attitude every Christian should hold about themselves because of their past sins.
5) So to answer your question is it any worse for two men or two women to be in a relationship then a man and a woman living in fornication. Ask this question. Is murdering someone worse then slapping them up side the head? YES! However neither can be justified.
So "has the Christian Church Redefined Hell and Homosexuality?" The church has redefined sin and its consequences as well as the results of salvation. -
There is no consequence of sin for the believer. Our fate is secure or else our salvation be based on works rather than grace. (something I don't believe anyone here holds to) Unbelievers are condemned already (John 3:17) no matter what sin they practice.
There are earthly consequences for failing to keep our temples clean: we might cause someone else to reject Christ. And right now, the biggest "cleaning" issue we face as a society is that of h*mosexuality. And that's a concern as it well should be.
If that redefines sin, I guess I'm guilty of it, because that is how my Bible reads. We are condemned without Christ and saved by Him. That's the simplicity of the gospel. When I John says:
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Does he mean Christ removes our sin? Or does he directly contradict the above by saying a few verses later:
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Hmm, we must not be saved in the first place if we sin??
But then John goes on to say:
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
We say, this sin and that sin can't be committed if one is a Christian, but the Bible doesn't teach us to recognize other believer's by the sins they DON'T commit but by the FRUITS they exhibit.
And if that redefines sin, you'll have to show me how. Because the above says directly that one born of God cannot sin. So either we don't sin, never transgress the law and become perfect after salvation, or that sin is simply not charged to our account because its been paid for by the blood of Christ. I believe the second choice is correct. Tell me where I've redefined sin and its consequences. -
of course, that begs the question, just how much must we be like jesus then to actually be saved? can one still have persisting sin, besitting sins as per hebrews even after getting saved? -
This much;
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. -
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If we are not keeping the commandments we are not saved. -
are we under the law now, or under grace? -
Click on this link if you want to understand this.
http://www.gerald285.com/web_media/BirthmarksofaBeliever.32.mp3 -
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I John explicitly states to Christians that we should not be sinning, but IF we do sin, need to confess that to God, and His grace will restore us back! -
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However there were those who were Gnostics in the church. In fact there are some in most churches and even some here on this BB. -
We NEVER lose our relationship with the father, as that was established by Cross of Christ, BUt can and do lose fellowship when we sin, until we confess and forsake it to God! -
Read here
http://www.bibleone.net/print_tbs61.html -
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