I think demon possessions can occur but are rare in the West. More prevalent in pagan countries. I've heard too many accounts from missionaries to discount them. I thought you gave a reasoned argument against them, however.
I put UFO sightings right up there with the government is poisoning us with jet contrails, government leaders are really lizard creatures, corporations have made us helpless, quivering compulsive consumers using advertising, and the false right vs. left paradigm.
Have you encountered a demon possessed person?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by righteousdude2, Sep 12, 2014.
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Second, accounts given in the OT are different than those in the NT, even among the saved. The Spirit came upon an individual instead of indwelling an individual. The ministry of the Spirit and of spirits was different.
Third, this passage that I previously quoted still must still be explained:
[FONT="]1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.[/FONT]
[FONT="]1 Samuel 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.[/FONT]
--"And the evil spirit departed from him."
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Saul was disturbed, vexed, agitated, TORMENTED, I concede all of that. Yet he was always Saul. -
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[FONT="]Matthew 17:14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,
15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.[/FONT]
The WEB translates verse 15 this way:
[FONT="]Matthew 17:15 "Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is epileptic, and suffers grievously; for he often falls into the fire, and often into the water.
--According to the account that Matthew gives, the boy was an epileptic, the epilepsy caused by a demon. Jesus cast out the demon and at the same time healed the boy. But as you say: "the boy was still the boy," whether demon possessed or not. That fact doesn't change. In fact that is the way it is all throughout the NT. I don't really understand your comment about Saul still being Saul.
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[FONT="]1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.[/FONT]
[FONT="]1 Samuel 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
[FONT="][FONT="]1. The account states: [FONT="]"An evil spirit from the Lord troubled him."
[FONT="]2. Others could visibly see a change in Saul: "Behold...an evil spirit from God troubles thee."
[FONT="]3. It became evident when the evil spirit left Saul: "So Saul was ref[FONT="]reshed[FONT="], and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.[FONT="]"
[FONT="][FONT="]Now, wi[FONT="]thout getting into any debate about musi[FONT="]c, it is evident that a[FONT="]n evil spirit came upon Saul and then departed from Saul. This cannot b[FONT="]e avoided.
[FONT="]I don't believe it was the music alone. It was the[FONT="] person playing the music. David was a Godly man, a man after God's own heart, a man of pra[FONT="]yer, a man of the Word. Compared to others he was a [FONT="][FONT="]spiritual[/FONT] giant. It simply wasn't the harp of David, but David himself[FONT="]. A demon doesn't fear a harp. A demon fears a Godly man. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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The bible describes David's harp playing as "cunning". Music is more powerful than the person playing it. Without trying to debate.
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But is music, in and of itself, powerful enough to drive away an evil spirit?
I only wish it were that easy.
Eph.6:11-18 describes the spiritual armour that we are to arm ourselves with. Music is not part of it. -
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