Hip hop church

I get so tired of these same old, tired, judgmental arguments. "My music is better than yours." "My music can beat up your music."

It's all about our own personal preferences. I personally believe that the steel guitar came out of the pits of hell, but I won't knock someone using it to honor and glorify Christ through country gospel or southern gospel music.

Opinions are just that - opinions. They are not any more than that.

 

http://www.holyhiphop.com/

 

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Just doing what I can to help a brother in need, Willie! :)

 

Holy hip hop, batman!

From the site:

 

I do think we are starting to go 'round the mulberry bush again on the music issue, to use C4K's phrase.

 

No...that is why "discernment" exists.

And musicians don't have the market cornered in deception. Preachers, pianists, children's workers, etc., are all capable of sin, deception, and "looking good" while spiritually dead.

 

Excellent point.

 

Tim, I don't think he was addressing specific verses as it look as if his quote was a general one (at least what you quoted).

I already called for a truce in regards to the KJV issue. Did you miss it?

(and to calm any worries, no, I am not fearful or any of the such to address that issue. If one is a KJVo you see the same arguments over and over and as a result you give the same answers to the non-KJVo's who have heard the same answers over and over who in turn give the same arguments over and over and in turn get the same answers over and over... I think you know what I mean).

 

They have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.

 

If we continue to say that anyone who doesn't think and act and sing and play like "me" is evil, then we'll continue to have churches with only people who think and act and sing and play like "me." We'll never reach "them."

Keep in mind that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again always looking for a different result.

 

This "legalist" concurs.

 

I don't know about that. I like (most of) the case they make on this page:

http://www.holyhiphop.com/streetgospel101.html

I haven't listened to any of their music, and I would rather not (since I don't like rap or hip hop) but unless it really contradicts their argument, I wouldn't expect it to be bad.

 

Well, that's quite a long page, and discussing it here might unintentionally derail this thread, which we don't want to do.

So, why not start a thread on that page, and let's dissect and discuss.

Helps me getting to 4000 posts. wot ?

 

Music itself without lyrics has certain powers over the hearer of it.

For instance, we have all heard the phrase 'Music to calm the savage beast.'

Music does not have to have lyrics to have certain effects on people.

In 1 Samuel 16, an evil spirit left Saul after David played the harp with no singing.

Music can chase away evil spirits, and can also move God to help man.

In 2 Kings 3, Elisha was able to prophesy after calling for a harpist and listening to him play.

In Isaiah 30, God's judgment on Assyria was with every beat of the tamborine.

Music indeed is not amoral. It can cause one to be submitted to God, or to the flesh. (thanks, cc)

 

Well, I don't agree with everything on the page (which is why I added "most of") but it is very relevant to this thread, isn't it? Doesn't matter to me, though. The first section uses a LOT of scripture and makes good arguments, so I hope people will read it. Whether or not they agree, it's interesting.

 

I think we have a subject for a different thread, probably best discussed in the Music Forum. Is the kind of music one listens to the result of submitting to God or the flesh, or is it the cause?

Wait a second.

I thought you were arguing that music isn't amoral?

 

ya and where did honky tonk music derive from? I dont see any of you good ol boys down talking southern gospel which sounds like it originated out of Gilleys Bar.
everyone is real quick to want to pull the splinter out of someone elses eye here but cant see to pull it out for the telephone pole in their own eye.

if the Lyrics Glorify God it should not matter what Genre it sounds like
this thread is ridiculus.

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I thought I typed the word 'not' in there.

 

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It matters to God

 

Very good point. However, we all do not react in the same way to the same musical stimulus. Why? Cultural norm and conditioning.

I cannot go to sleep with music playing. Why? The potential non resolution of a chord will ogften wake me up. Others go to sleep with music playing quite often. this is an example of conditioning. I am mostly always actively listening to music, I can't not listen if it is playing in the background. I have to either be performing or actively listening. Music cannt be "just in the background" for me.

Cultural conditioning.