Nope. Freudian slip? :)
The question remains. Please identify which notes, chords, time signatures, keys, melodies, etc. are evil. This classification of a type of music that can or cannot do something to/for us is not the same as identifying what music actually is.
I think that, when you boil it all down, the idea that you're arguing is that certain types of music are inherently sinful or not. I may or may not agree with that topic, but it's a different question than discussing whether music itself is amoral or not.
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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by vermae, Jul 31, 2007.
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Why do not all of us react in the same way to a particular muscial stimulus?
Could not cultural and stylistic factors had a bearing in the use of these various instances?
I personally find hip-hop boring - limited melodic, harmonic and rhythmic vocabulary, others find it exciting. Preference issues, education isues and cultural issues definitely apply here. . Different cultures have different languages.
i guess some of our main issues arise from the "popular" versus "art" music discussions. I don't mean simple versus complex.
What is a musical snob? I know more country music snobs than classical music snobs. When I express the opinion that I don't care for country music, or even worse Elvis, I get the resonse - "How could you not like ____" "What's wrong with you!"
Basically, when our cultural choices are not liked by all often we tend to get defensive. of course, If I like it, everyone else must."
Cultural expression is a part of our life and a great part of our faith. It is a part of us, of who we are. Can we change context? Yes, indeed. It is absolutely necessary? Not really. Is there ONE biblical approach to music and worship stylr? Absolutely not.
We need to ". . . become all things to all men that we might win some . . ."
Why have you not addressed this scripture in your discussion? I've used it in this thread two times before this.
Please address this point.
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Musak is a multi million dollar company built on the principle that some here are denying.
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Is nudity in and of itself immoral - I don't think so. It's the lust that is often associated with it that is immoral. If my wife and I decide to runaround our house in the nude, isthat immoral? Cultural context. -
Better still, I was listening to the local Jazz station yesterday and heard a wonderful jazz rendition of a Christian hymn. If I could remember which hymn it was, I'd tell you, but I can't. Heck, if I could remember which hymn it was, I'd look up the song and buy the jazz album just for that one song. It was great.
I get your meaning, though. No, you will not hear Beethoven's 5th as written in a night club. But, so what? I've been to jazz night clubs for the jazz and loved it. I've been to concerts for classical music and loved it. Neither had a moral impact on me one way or another, although both were edifying, emotionally.
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I don't know if Beethoven was a Christian. I don't think he was, but I could be wrong. Yet Beethoven seemed to know something the legalists are missing. -
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The scene you describe would turn me off no matter what music was playing. I've been to jazz clubs, by the way, and people drink there. I don't see anyone get drunk, and I don't notice ayone hitting on other people. It may happen, but to the pure, all things are pure. I guess I just don't see it.
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If the commuication is "inherent" (and so clear) why do all people not react in the same way to a musical stimulus?
Why then does the same piece of music used in the same context affect me differently than it affects someone else?
I truly want to understand your point as you are making it. Please don't think I'm arguing forthe sake of argument. This may be an issue that we must decide to disagree on. -
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I believe we, myself included, have been using some terms incorrectly. We are using Amoral to mean "evil" when actually we should be using the word IMmoral.
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:rolleyes: Talk about a ridiculous thread.
I take solace in the fact that while a good many of you on here are wasting time proclaiming how evil this music is, (holy hip hop and Christian rap), and how misguided these ministers and churches are, these very same people are on the front lines loudly proclaiming the gospel and reaching the lost. It is sad to see some of you so full of righteous idignation. Get over yourselves, because in all honesty those of us out in the trenches willing to change the slogans, (thanks rbell), don't have the time or the energy to waste on you.
FTR, I am not a huge fan of rap or even hip hop, but my husband is. I have seen the guys from the holy hip hop site in person, and they are truly great people who love the Lord. There is nothing "worldly" about it. For that matter, I have heard a variety of Christian rap artists in concert, and the only people confusing them with the secular artists of today are the people who don't listen this type of music in the first place. -
I guess if your Bible is in english then it is a manipulated Gosple intended to draw people in and should not have been changed.
Christ did not change his message. But He changed the way the message was presented depending on who He was talking to. So did Paul.
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