I've been meaning to look into this major work of Luther's.
Many people play down the similarities between Luther and what is labeled as Calvinist theology. It's very interesting then that you could potentially say that Luther led you to Calvinism.
How did you arrive at Calvinism?
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by S0l0m0n, Dec 12, 2019.
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Which is the topic of the thread, right?
You can confess to us, Van. We will accept your secret Calvinism here. -
For example, "chose us in Him before the foundation of the world" can be found at Ephesians 1:4. But what does the phrase "in Him" mean. God chose us as foreseen individuals and placed us into Christ? Others respond God chose us as foreseen individuals to be placed in Christ. A third view is God chose us as foreseen individuals that are now existent individuals who are actually in Him.
Will someone explain what the "in Him" means, and will all the other Calvinists say that is what they found too? Tick Tock -
I don't mind jokes, sarcasm, or friendly disagreement. Yet the following posts have nothing to do with subject of this thread other than to stir up controversy. They have such a weird spirit about them; I'm convinced they are driven to speak evil against the truth.
Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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This is the trouble with this entire 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' forum.
It is anti-Calvinist. (Actually the entire forum is itself.)
For instance: if I were to post this thread in the forum 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study', where it actually belongs, do you think it would have been able to stay?
Not a chance. The 'free-will' individuals would come in for no reason other than to stir up trouble (as they have), endlessly provoke arguments (as they have), and the thread would have been shoved into the 'debate' forum, where we are now.
This thread is not meant as a debate, but a place for edification.
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Did he provide a quote or reference to where I demeaned him? Nope.
Is my position, if it is not according to Van it is not true? Again no quote or reference will be provided.
To claim a Calvinist view should not be challenged, because Calvinists have a right to their view is absurd.
Did Jesus not challenge the mistaken views of the Pharisees? We are to defend the gospel, which requires to expose false teachings.
I asked about one verse, Ephesians 1:4. For example, "chose us in Him before the foundation of the world" can be found at Ephesians 1:4. But what does the phrase "in Him" mean. God chose us as foreseen individuals and placed us into Christ? Others respond God chose us as foreseen individuals to be placed in Christ. A third view is God chose us as foreseen individuals that are now existent individuals who are actually in Him. A fourth view is that Christ is the first “Elect” of God, and that our corporate election is contained in His individual election. Subsequently of course we are individually chosen through faith in the truth, 2 Thessalonians 2:13
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Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. -
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As the Calvinists were finding Calvinism, did they discern what "in Him" meant in Ephesians 1:4?
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This one too:
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The paradox between this thread and the one adjacent to it is quite telling. According to the Calvinists in the other thread, this thread is seemingly illogical, as no Calvinist arrived at it, but rather was compelled ("forcibly drag") to it.
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Please start a new thread with such questions.
Because this is: 'How did you arrive at Calvinism?' -
Because this is: 'How did you arrive at Calvinism?' -
Scott Downey Well-Known Member
Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—
Because of God's choosing, a person is in Christ. It is not the other way round, just like 1 Corinthians 1 says in the paragraph about God's choosing us so that no flesh can glory.
26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
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