Where are the requirements of "getting revelation from God" (whatever that means to you) and "having seen the risen Christ" come from? Don't point me to Acts 1 because that is for a replacement of one of the Twelve shortly before Pentecost.
How many of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit still operate today?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Yeshua1, Dec 17, 2016.
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Matthew 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth (Grk. apostello), and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
The "twelve" of verses 1 and 2 are summarized as one entity in verse 5.
That is how I see it BB.
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Such as Copeland/Hinn/Price etc! -
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That and the fact that the scripture indicates that an "Apostles" had to be with Him while He was here in the flesh and had been an eye witness to the resurrected Jesus Christ.
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It seems clear to me that there is a distinction between the Twelve and those who are simply apostles. Luke 10:1 and the example of Paul make that obvious to me, among other passages.
Is there another passage that supports your assertion about qualifications for apostles?
Please note, I'm not trying to beat you down. I'm trying to figure out if I'm missed something somewhere. You have always been a good source for information, even if we do regularly disagree. I find your comments and insights quite helpful. -
I am a committed cessationist including the thought that the apostolic ministry ended with John around 100AD without a method of apostolic succession.
That idea is found in Hebrews
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Last days - rather than the last prophetic days in this passage, the last days of revelation is meant and was given to Jesus Christ.
Those who knew Him in the flesh were part of the passing on of His message (the Gospel)
Chapter 1 declares the superiority of Christ over ALL created beings angels included and therefore...
Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Spoken by the Lord and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him.
He spoke. Those who heard Him passed it on and
was confirmed (aorist) ... by the signs and wonders - therefore no further confirmation was needed neither apostles after the completion of the canon of scripture in the "last days" (of revelation) and John left The scene.
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Since John died, NONE have had that abilit from God to add to Canon, nor add additional doctrines to th Faith! -
I would allow for Apostles in he sense as a modern day missionary, but not in th sene as Acts had it! -
When extra biblical revelation is claimed such as what they call a "word of wisdom" or a "word of knowledge" which during the apostolic chapter of the church was valid in its biblical context before the completion of the scripture, then be very cautious.
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As thoe listed above use tem as"fresh /new revealtion"
Mainly seem to be as confirmation of what God already has been dealing wit someone on..
NEVER use them for your mate or ministr by themselves! -
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Rather than miracles God answers prayer.
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That make ANY other one pale in comparison!
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