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  1. Alive in Christ

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    Matt 2227....

    Excelant post. Good job. :thumbs:
     
  2. Matt22:37-39

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    Thank God He gave it too me...;)
     
  3. Oldtimer

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    If this thread had been titled:

    How should christians treat the "SAVED" serial killer?

    or

    How should christians treat the "SAVED" child molester?

    each of which proclaims they will continue in their sin, would your response be the same?



    -- Would you vote for either to become a member of your church on Sunday morning, knowing what they will be doing Sunday night?

    -- Would you break bread with a murderer who tells you he or she will kill again before the two of you meet again?

    -- Would you call a pastor for your church who publically states he will continue to rape children?


    Yes, we are all sinners and fall short everyday that we walk in this fleshly body. I know I do. Some days are worse than others when satan throws larger stumbling blocks in my path. Because I've made a profession of faith, should the members of my church tell me that it's OK to continue to do whatever it may be that causes me to sin?

    Especially, when along with my profession of faith I tell them that I have no intention of abstaining from those sins?

    :null:
     
  4. Steadfast Fred

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    If one has no intention of changing his or her sinful lifestyle, a profession of faith is void of carrying any weight.

    Faith without works is dead, being alone.
     
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    "Changing his sinful lifestyle" are we talking only about h0mosexuality, and the items listed by Oldtimer ?

    Would that also include the seven deadly sins?
     
  6. Steadfast Fred

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    That which we often refer to as "The seven deadly sins", God says are an abomination to Him

    Revelation declares that the abominable will go to the lake of fire.
     
  7. Oldtimer

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    Please let's keep this in context. :flower:

    We're talking about individuals who proclaim they will continue in their sinful behaviour while professing to be members of the body of Christ.

    All of the lost will end up in Dante's inferno.

    Do we, as members of the body of Christ, overlook a declaration of continuation of an abomination by someone who states they are a Christian?
     
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    Of course not!

    If we fail to warn the wicked, we are not being faithful servants.
     
  9. Matt22:37-39

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    WOW, I'm really surprised at the ignorance of bible knowledge?

    The bible says that ALL sin will be forgiven man expect blasphemy of the holy spirit....that would include a Christian who fornicates after they are saved....which today are MANY!....those who lie after they are saved, gossip, etc. SIN is sin in God's eyes and no ones sin is better or worse than anthers. Christi does for all of them.

    I find it interesting that all the sins mentioned in only 2 verses (Jesus never talked about the homosexual...he sure talked about fornicating and divorce) is a reference to homosexuality mentioned. Thing is it is GOD'S WORK to change that person and it is OUR job to help them draw close to God so He can change them....just like we would with someone struggling with drugs, alcohol, sex outside of marriage of any kind.

    I am shocked that those within the church who live together and those who divorce unblically are never dealt with, but God forbid someone finds out a homosexual is among them then all hatred is poured out...God will judge those who judge others unfairly.

    Your sin is no worse according to these verses...see where YOU fit in, do you have an idol?


    "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor. 6:9–10).
     
  10. Zaac

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    I do find these conversations interesting. Christians are liars. Christians are cheaters. Christians murder babies. Christians fornicate. So why can't Christians be nonpracticing, attracted to the same sex homosexuals?

    In my counseling of lots of gay people, I can tell ya that there is a lot more to being a homosexual than just sex. It's the same thing with heterosexuals. Attraction is not a Biblical sin. So where would be the impossibility of someone attracted to the same sex but not having sex nt being a Christian?

    What about strongholds? we hear a lot about that in the church. Can a Christian be addicted to porn? Can a Christian be an alcoholic?etc,?
     
  11. Matt22:37-39

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    Hmmm, why do I feel that many of you wouldn't have a problem so much if it was a lesbian who was struggling with same sex attractions?....lol...never heard a man yet who thought that was bad. Anyway....


    I should add that there is always a time and place for "CHURCH DISCIPLINE" for those living in blatant biblical sin that the bible is very clear about, such as FORNICATION of any kind and even divorcing unbliblically......but even that is always done IN LOVE and always for RESTORATION for ones walk with others and God!..and it isn't the LAY persons job to be judge, jury and executor...this is done through the leadership of the church. If one sins against you then you can bring it to another s attention and so on...Matt 18, oh I could go on.......Anyway, just wanted that to be clear.
     
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    so ti gets seen

    WOW, I'm really surprised at the ignorance of bible knowledge?

    The bible says that ALL sin will be forgiven man expect blasphemy of the holy spirit....that would include a Christian who fornicates after they are saved....which today are MANY!....those who lie after they are saved, gossip, etc. SIN is sin in God's eyes and no ones sin is better or worse than anthers. Christi does for all of them.

    I find it interesting that all the sins mentioned in only 2 verses (Jesus never talked about the homosexual...he sure talked about fornicating and divorce) is a reference to homosexuality mentioned. Thing is it is GOD'S WORK to change that person and it is OUR job to help them draw close to God so He can change them....just like we would with someone struggling with drugs, alcohol, sex outside of marriage of any kind.

    I am shocked that those within the church who live together and those who divorce unblically are never dealt with, but God forbid someone finds out a homosexual is among them then all hatred is poured out...God will judge those who judge others unfairly.

    Your sin is no worse according to these verses...see where YOU fit in, do you have an idol?


    "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor. 6:9–10).
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  13. Zaac

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    Is there a such thing as a Christian glutton? I don't have any problem with the church making such broadly stroked judgments as long as they make the strokes to equally account for their sins too.:laugh:
     
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    Is there such a thing as an immodest Christian?

    1 Tim 2:9 ...in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel,...

    I think it's absoultely DISGUSTING these little booty shorts that all the teenaged girls are allowed to run around in at church these days with their parents apparent approval.

    Is it okay that we count these girls as part of the Christian fold?
     
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    But it's been this way for too long and this is why the Church has failed MISERABLY in ministering to the homosexual or the drug addicted or anyone who commits one of the "bad" sins on our sin list.

    Our constant unrighteous judgment is okay.
    Our overeating and gossip are okay.
    The ladies reading the smut in the romance novels is okay.
    Letting our daughters run around looking like little hookers is okay.

    Because none of those things are on our "bad" you can't be a Christian if you do this repeatedly list.
     
  16. Oldtimer

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    Matthew 12:30-32 - (KJV)
    30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
    31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
    32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

    1 a: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
    Synonyms - defilement, desecration, impiety, irreverence, profanation, sacrilege
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blasphemy

    Commentary:
     
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    How does that answer the question in the OP?

    How should christians treat the saved homosexual?

    When that person has stated they will not repent?
     
  18. Zaac

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    It was a response to what someone else said and not the OP?

    The Bible has a process that we are to go through that ultimately ends with the Church breaking fellowship with them if they are unrepentant.

    Matthew 18:15-19
     
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    Duplicate reply. Response noted.
     
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    Good Post Scarlett O.....:thumbsup::wavey::thumbsup:
     
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