I used to be KJV-only, now I'm not and boy how the Lord has blessed my Bible studying
Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Spoudazo, Feb 12, 2005.
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Originally posted by Scott J:
Most Baptists that teach or preach are so well versed in our doctrinal perspective that they don't even notice when they correct the KJV.Click to expand... -
2. Finally - Do you really think the AV translators were that stupid and careless?!?!? It appears you and others think so. Don't you think they noticed that and don't you think they discussed it? don't you think they had a grasp of the ancient languages? You think they missed it - all the translators!!!! Do you think they let it slip through and then later said, "Gasp, look what we did!!!"Click to expand...
know.
But as others have indicated and I have answered previously, they certainly were theologically confused about several things. Remember they were pado-baptists who believed in the extra-biblical successionist apostolic office of "bishop".
There are many other things, you know, like the inclusion of the Church of Rome Apocrypha between the covers of the "Holy Bible" with no explanation within that it was not Scripture, the weekly celebration of the "Eucharist" (Anglo-Catholic version of the mass), the sacerdotal nature of the "priests" and "bishops" of the Anglo-Catholic Church of England, etc.
So, yes they got many things wrong of which they are apparently unawares even to this very day.
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Originally posted by dcorbett:
KJV only here...find and read "The Final Authority" - I don't like watered down Bibles...I want the closest thing to the Greek that I can get. Compromise on this is like any other compromise in this shift to the world.Click to expand...
My main point was, he can sometimes keep your attention, has some interesting info, but then he just gets of track. I like to call him, Hyles Jr. -
dcorbett: KJV only here...find and read "The Final Authority" - I don't like watered down Bibles...I want the closest thing to the Greek that I can get. Compromise on this is like any other compromise in this shift to the world.
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The Final Authority...First, it's by Dr. Wm Grady, KJVO party-liner, which sheds doubt upon its veracity before we go any farther. The book itself is nothing but the same ole KJVO garbage in a new, differently-colored bag.
Spoudazo....
It's been awhile since I read that book, but I remember Dr. Grady writing that the KJV-not its sources-is the final authority. That made me at once suspicious of him; he seems to follow Ruckmania while taking some of the edge off the kooky stuff. If you can find that part in his book, could you please copy/paste it here? -
Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
Most Baptists that teach or preach are so well versed in our doctrinal perspective that they don't even notice when they correct the KJV.Click to expand...
The pastor was a former trustee at Baylor and SWBTS and a part of the Southern Baptists of Texas that is until he was caught plagiarizing sermons from W.A. Criswell. -
Originally posted by robycop3:
Spoudazo....
It's been awhile since I read that book, but I remember Dr. Grady writing that the KJV-not its sources-is the final authority. That made me at once suspicious of him; he seems to follow Ruckmania while taking some of the edge off the kooky stuff. If you can find that part in his book, could you please copy/paste it here?Click to expand...
But, if you know what "general area" it would be in, you can listen to the whole thing on audio here
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Originally posted by Spoudazo:
Wow, I would have never thought.
Even before my salvation I was KJV-only (about the same extent as Ruckman). After salvation however the Lord began to work on me. Oh what a blessing indeed He has wrought!
My Bible study as a whole had been dry for quite some time, and finally (through several years of studying) I finally realized I was wrong! Certainly not easy to admit, but once one does, what freedom! I read almost the whole book of Matthew in one day in the NASB. It was like an "all you can eat" buffet.
No longer will I constantly have to struggle with bitterness towards those supposed "Alexandrian cultists."
Just had to share, praise the Lord!
NAS 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.Click to expand... -
I have been reading the posts on this topic for weeks now without any input of my own. I have always been KJVO. I have pastored a church now for 5 years and have been faithful to my training in that I demonize anything that is not KJV. I have also been trained to demean and disrespect anyone that doesn't believe just like me with respect to bible versions. I have been KJVO to the extent that I believed there were absolutely no errors in the KJV of any type. I believed it to be a version superior even to the manuscripts and translations that preceded it. Just in the last month and a half, three things have happened. 1. I started reading this forum. 2. I met a Christian brother who is not KJVO. 3. I began to discuss and study preservation and inspiration with a current Christian brother who is KJVO. I believe that God has brought this issue to a head in my life for a specific purpose. In the beginning, I was angry with this forum and some of it's posters for presenting challenges to me that I couldn't rebut. I have spent countless hours in the last 30 days reviewing and researching the things I have read on the BB in regards to Bible Translations. I cannot refute them. My new Christian friend is glowing and thriving in his relationship with God and he never picks up the KJV. My other friend is critical, baseless, and angry with me for even looking into the issue itself. I came to the conclusion that I prefer the KJV. I now readily admit the copy errors and spelling and grammatical deficiencies. It no longer threatens God's promise of preservation to me. I feel like a bird that has been released from a cage. My latter friend has quit the church over this issue and gave me the following quote. Would anyone care to let me know if you have heard anyone defend the KJV in this manner? Ps 12:6 just tells me that while GOD words have always been pure spiritually, man has corrupted God's words (penned by man) and God would have to bring man back to his pure word and this would happen seven times through different languages finally ending in English. You can probably see where is is going with this. I want to thank many of you men and women for your pursuit of the truth. It has greatly helped me.
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What an amazing post, csmith!!! Praise God that he has worked in your life in this way. Continue to trust him and his precious word.
I have heard that argument about Psalm 12:6-7, and I'm sure several of us have as well. The problem with it (besides asking them "how do you know?") is that if God had to bring his word back, then it wasn't "preserved" before it was restored. Also, when comparing the actual words and variations, the KJV is different than any other 6 language Bibles he could name. Thirdly, if his interpretation is correct, that would mean that verse was a lie from the moment it was penned, until 1611. -
"Ps 12:6 just tells me that while GOD words have always been pure spiritually, man has corrupted God's words (penned by man) and God would have to bring man back to his pure word and this would happen seven times through different languages finally ending in English."
I have to admit that's a new one on me ... and I thought I'd heard them all. This passage is usually used a "proof" that the KJV is the pure word of God because it is the seventh (arbitrarily counting) revision in English.
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csmith,
Your testimony is one HUGE reason why I post here on the BV/T forum. It is to your testimony that we praise God that He has brought you out of your bondage, brother! -
The other languages are supposed to be as follows:
Hebrew
Aramaic
Greek
Syrian
Latin
German
English
He also states, as many of us believe otherwise, that the context in Psalm 12:6,7 is "words" rather than "people". He refuses to listen to simple logic--rather blaming me for a lack of faith. He felt our disagreement on this was enough to pull his family from our church. It is a terrible thing. I just pray that he will open his heart to the truth. -
Originally posted by west:
Then a friend told me about the NASB .I bought another Ryrie in NASB .Wow !Click to expand... -
Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by west:
Then a friend told me about the NASB .I bought another Ryrie in NASB .Wow !Click to expand...
God never inspired the Bible in English. Period. -
Originally posted by Scott J:
The NASB doesn't contain any inspired words except maybe the ones that are left untranslated... neither does the KJV.Click to expand...
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God never inspired the Bible in English. Period.Click to expand...
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Thanks, cs. German, huh?
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Excellent post, csmith! You've broken away from KJVO slavery at last! You've realized it's a non-scriptural myth that has no place in baptist doctrines.
Nothing wrong with continuing to use only the KJV long as you know it's NOT the only valid English BV there is.
However, I have one small disagreement...I believe that in Psalm 12:6, David is COMPARING God's words to the purest precious thing he could think of while writing a song He believed every word of God that he'd read, heard from Nathan or Gad, or spoken by God directly to him was absolutely pure when first spoken to any man. Even in those days, men could refine silver to a very high degree of purity, and to do it seven times would've made it to appear ABSOLUTELY pure to all who saw or used it. Thus, David was COMPARING; he said "pure, AS silver...".
As for the language issue, our God who is more than strong enuff to have given men so many languages is more than strong enough to supply His word in every one of them as He chooses, SIMULTANEOUSLY. Thus, the French, Russians, and Japanese all have Bibles at the same time. However, if they were to be translated into English, we'd have as many different English versions as there'd be other-language Bibles translated. -
Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
The NASB doesn't contain any inspired words except maybe the ones that are left untranslated... neither does the KJV.Click to expand...Therefore God preserved His INSPIRED words in most accurate translation for English-speaking people, namely the KJV.Click to expand...
BTW, God preserved His Word in thousands of hand copied mss... that differ from one another. I don't doubt His ability to preserve and communicate His Word through translations that differ from each other.</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> God never inspired the Bible in English. Period.Click to expand...
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