IF seeing them for today, gifts of the HS, what verse and what function do they perform in the Body?
IF You Hold To Sign Gifts Operating, what verse/Function?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by DaChaser1, Mar 8, 2012.
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Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
For instance, the most common sign gift manifested through me is the word of knowledge, where the Holy Spirit speaks to someone directly through me about something of which I would have no way of knowing. From what people tell me, it often involves some very specific thing they were praying about that they’ve never told anyone or something that has occurred in their private life that few, if anyone else, knows about.
If confirms to them objectively that (1) God is aware of their situation and their prayers have been heard, and (2) that what I am saying to them (in addition to the word of knowledge) is specifically for them to hear and understand.
On my side of it, most of the time I know when I am speaking a “word of knowledge” because it is like power moving through my body to someone else’s through words (I can’t adequately describe it often than perhaps “fire in my bones” – Jeremiah 20:9). By the time I know I am speaking a word of knowledge, it is already happening – there is not really any planning or thought process involved – and it doesn’t necessarily make much sense to me because I often have very little context for what is being said to the other person. Yet I can tell from the other person’s reaction that something very important and meaningful has happened. At the same time, I often don’t have a clear memory of what was said during those moments, I suspect, because the message was never intended for me and it’s not really my business. Better yet, God is glorified, not the person whom God uses to perform the sign.
When I used to preach on a regular basis, I would find myself occasionally making side comments (which were not planned and not part of the sermon I had prepared) which people told me later that the Spirit had used in their lives as a direct word from God. Talking to other pastors and preachers, I have verified this phenomenon of the Spirit as surprisingly common.
In the same way I believe that the other sign gifts, when/if the Spirit empowers them in the life of believers, accomplishes similar effect. -
The best is 1 Corinthians 14:39 Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. (NIV)
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There have been 2 specific times this type of thing happened to me while in a Church setting...
hopefully, you have NEVER used the ole 'The Lord told me to tell you" line, Eh?
The Lord ALWAYS would use that operation to help confirm something that he already was dealing with other person on, NOT the primary source to guide, that comes from the Bible! -
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In my case, it offer happens with people in crisis (whether I know they are in crisis or not) and the word of knowledge gives them confidence that God is hearing their prayers and is attentive to their situation.
On one occasion, with a friend-of-a-friend, who later became a close friend, I suddenly found myself telling him that he needed to turn his life over to Christ and change universities (specifically mentioning the one he needed to attend). I was stunned when I heard that come out of my mouth because he already had a reputation as a "serious Christian." I tried to act like I was just teasing him because I was sure that what I said couldn't be right. Furthermore, I had not yet realized that I was expressing the gift of the "word of knowledge" since nothing in my Baptist background had explained the sign gifts to me.
However three months later, he actually came to faith in Christ and switched universities. Apparently the Holy Spirit had been dealing with him about just getting baptized when he was in grade school (it was expected) but that he hadn't actually placed his faith in Christ or was following him. He was simply playing church and was so good at it that no one knew. Also, once he came to faith, he sensed a vocational calling on his life which necessitated a change of schools. He was able to make this change relatively easily because he knew it was the voice of God.
After all of the changes that summer, he contacted me and wanted to know how I knew those things. I confessed that I didn't know anything and that I thought I was wrong. I thought I had insulted him and embarrassed myself in front of all of our mutual friends. He said that because of what was said to him, he could not longer ignore the conviction of the Spirit. -
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
You cannot defend the position from scripture because you yourself have many times opened the door to it!;)
that is why I said to you wayne grudems error leads to this mystical ,feeling oriented,excess.....you cannot answer it... -
When was the last time someone walked through St. Jude's and healed the children afflicted with cancer?
When did you hear actual, biblical tongues (languages) being spoken?
When have you seen someone raised from the dead? -
Baptist Believer Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
It should be no surprise that some of the sign gifts are not manifested as often in places where the church is well-established. Furthermore, signs are given only when they will be effective. I suspect that all of the phony faith-healers out there have actually reduced the number of legitimate miraculous healings since the Spirit may not want people to be confused.
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If you are talking about my testimony, it is not "feeling oriented" other than knowing some of the time when a "word of knowledge" is being given. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
remember amy...the annointing breaks the yoke.....komo mo shiki,rondo coco bo sata...:laugh:...can you see it now?????
stop operating in your natural man...let go and let god...its the spirit man that will do greater works than jesus and all the apostles -
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Yeeees......I'm beginning to seee it......
Slain in the spirit---------> -
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I have an ex sister in law (sil of my ex husband) that has been into the Charismatic movement for many years. She and her husband even started their own church, where she is co-pastor. (Blech) She has yet to see an actual healing or anyone raised from the dead. Maybe she runs in the wrong circles too?
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