Featured If you receive the mark of the beast, you will lose eternal life

The reference of 1260 is usually associated with one of the three and a half years of Tribulation or Great Tribulation. Where are you coming up with the 1260 days to years? Also, how do you get 1260 years ending up in the 1700s? What event around 500 AD started that counting of time, and what event ended the middle age persecution of the saints? Are you talking about the Reformation, which is 200 years earlier. Some of Revelation 12 parallels Joseph and his brothers, and the birth of Christ, but would appreciate it if you would expand on those figures.

 

When you are faithless, I remain faithful - God

 

Or, we can freely choose to believe the words of God.....

1Th5:23-24 - "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it."

Sorry, looks like "try His best" isn't found in the scriptures.

So if we have the words "try His best" pitted against the words "will do it", and only one set is found in the Holy Scriptures, then which set of words would be exposed as antichrist doctrine? I mean think about this, we have God saying He will do it, and we have another voice saying "no, He will try His best", it sounds very familiar, like in the garden - "Did God really say?"

Hbr12:2 - "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God."

 

The thing you are getting hung up on is the freedom. Just because you are free to do something doesn't men you are eqully free to undo the same thing. You are free to burn down a house, but not free to undo the action. You are free to murder someone, but not free to undo the murder. You are free to get circumcised, not free to undo it...and ironically salvation is called a circumcision of the heart. You are free to accept the offer of eternal life, and reject it, but not free to undo the consequences for both. Eternal is never eternal if it can be temporal at some point.

 

Spot on! But I doubt he will understand God given logic.

 

Obviously it is "lost" when it is ... err... umm... "lost". Kinda the definition of losing salvation as we probably would all agree.

You "quote you" rather well in making your case for your doctrine, because "in you" you have abundant quotes for the much needed statements essential to your tradition.

But the Bible says Jesus Himself taught "forgiveness revoked" Matt 18.

The Bible says that the saved are subject to "fallen from Grace" and "Severed From Christ" Gal 5:4 - the "lost state".

The Bible says that the saved are "to FEAR ...for if He did not spare them neither will He spare you... but He is able to graft them in again IF they do not continue in unbelief" Romans 11.

The Bible says "I do all things for the sake of the Gospel that I may be a fellow PARTAKER of IT...I buffet my body and make it my slave LEST after preaching the Gospel to others I myself should be disqualified" 1Cor 11.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Bob
Would you please answer post 21. It is not a debate question, I am just trying to understand your time line. I have no settled position on end time events yet.

 

The title of the thread:

First, I will not be here to receive the mark of the beast. I already am assured of that. God has not appointed his children to wrath, and I am one of His. His Spirit bears witness with my spirit that I am His child.

I am thankful that my salvation is eternally secure in the hand of Christ.
He doesn't lie. He gave me eternal life, a life which cannot become temporary. He said I will never perish. He won't lie. I trust in his promises, not the deceivers of this world.
He said: "There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus." What a wonderful promise.
Throughout the Bible promise after promise is given both by Christ and the other writers of Scripture that one can never lose their salvation (providing they actually trusted him in the first place). If you question whether you are saved, then perhaps you are not saved.

Jesus is coming again for all those that are redeemed.
The Tribulation will begin after that. I don't intend to be here; in fact I know I won't be. Taking the mark of the beast is not an issue for the believer. I can't take it if I don't have the chance, can I?

 

Amen! :thumbsup:

I'm outa here with ya! :tongue3:

Makes you wonder, why doesn't everyone have this peace in Christ that you and I and millions of others enjoy??

 

I'm not quoting me Bob, the Bible calls it everlasting life. Bob says it can be lost. By definition it was never eternal life. Simple logic. You continue to confuse sanctification and justification.

 

It is a "made up definition" that says that once eternal life is lost - then before it was lost - it was not eternal life. It is a self-conflicted definition.

Eternal life is by definition eternal but it is not defined as "you cannot forfeit it" -- all the "you cannot choose" arguments are a form of Calvinism.

Even Calvinists admit that in heaven both Calvinists and Arminians will be affirming the point that some people are in heaven, and have eternal life while others are lost.

Both groups believe this.

But in the Bible we have the warnings about
1. Forgiveness revoked - Matt 18
2. Those "IN ME" that are removed/cut off - dried up cast in fire John 15.
3. Those under grace, and joined to Christ that are later "Severed FROM Christ" and "Fallen FROM grace" Gal 5:4.

But the good news according to the actual Bible is "He is able to restore them AGAIN if they do not continue in unbelief" Romans 11.

1 Cor 9
23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it. ... I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.


1 Cor 9
23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it. 24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. 25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. 26 Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; 27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.




in Christ,

Bob

 

That is a good post. Since this thread is devoted to OSAS vs not - I am going to start a new thread on the 1260 days, 42 months, 3.5 years.

with your post in it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

No, it is keeping true to the very definition of eternal.

.How do you not see the inconsistency here? If you can forfeit something eternal, it is not eternal by the very definition of the word.

Like I said earlier, you are confusing sanctification with justification. When we are justified, we are sealed by Him...not us.

13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Its quite clear, He holds the "deed", not us. He calls it eternal, not us.