Butting in again... Here is the scriptural backup although I doubt you will accept it:
"But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol's temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble." (1 Corinthians 8:9-13 NASB)
Implications of Common Law Marriage
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Victorious, Mar 7, 2009.
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Nah, that ain't working today. Your particular scripture has been used to protect every manmade tradition I've heard yet including why we shouldn't dance, play with playing card or chew tobaccy! Its the fall back of those who can't defend their arguements any other way and it is irrelevant. Somehow I don't think being married by common law is going to cause anyone to worship an idol (which is the point of Paul's comments :rolleyes: )
Let's toss another arguement into the ring for those who think one can't possibly be married less'n the gov't says so: You ever seen your great grandpappy's marriage lisence? You got any paper, not counting your great-great gramma's Bible, that even shows a record of his and your'n great gramm's marriage?
Bet you don't. Cause a hundred-fifty years ago, folks were often married without benefit of either preacher (cause there weren't enough to go around) or paper (cause the gov't didn't care!). It was plenty enough to call oneself married and not a soul questioned it. You don't believe me? Go read your history books.
See now days we have way to many people bothering about other people's business. We think we have to have this or that to substantiate our claim before God, when in reality God knows full well what our intentions were. I think He's pretty capable of handling things without our judgemental attitudes of what is or isn't correct for another person. -
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Ah but Marcia, Caesar in my state says he doesn't care if a couple calls themselves husband and wife or if they go before the preacher or judge and have them do it. Its all the same. Husband and wife here are husband and wife no matter WHO declares it. Just the same way as God said "for this reason shall a man leave his mother and father and cling to his wife!" (Cindi paraphrase of Gen 2 or 3)
You can't argue obeying the gov't here cause that couple canadyjd is decribing IS obeying the gov't!
Now who here in this state would that couple be rebelling against? God says leave mother and father and cling so they aren't rebelling against them. We as Christian possess liberty in Christ so they aren't rebelling against the church as the church doen't rule our private lives but seeks only to guide in righteousness and must have a scriptural basis for its teachings. So who are they rebelling against?
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Are churches going to start teaching young people that they can get married in God's eyes, outside the law, and go live together as man and wife? -
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Some Christian churches already are teaching that it is okay to marry without state recognition:
http://www.religiondispatches.org/a..._wife,_and_the_government:_defining_marriage/
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Marriage/marriage_license.htm
I found this little table describing each states marriage laws:
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/table_marriage
This quote/link tells the tale of why our gov't began laws to control marriage:
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I don't see anything in this passage about getting married in a church, or in front of a preacher, or anything else about marriage.
What I see is you saying that other Christians might get offended if we don't follow tradition instead of following scripture. Some people prefer to follow scripture instead of tradition.
We should never violate our conscience for the sake of conformity.
BTW, it's ok to "butt in". The water is fine, jump on in.
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I don't recall saying my hypothetical couple thought they were superior to the law. I said they searched the scriptures deligently. I said they were committed to following the bible, not tradition.
The homosexual lobby uses the same argument for same s*x marriage that you just made for following tradition. I hope that makes you think a little deeper about what you are saying.
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The fact that Jesus Christ Himself not only attended a wedding ceremony - which was a public declaration and followed the traditions of the Jewish faith of the time - but did His first miracle there shows us that there is something proper about following the law and tradition.
If a desire to be married and intercourse is enough to be "married" in the eyes of God, then why does Scripture speak of sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 7:2)? Why does it speak of marriage? Why does Scripture tell us to follow the authority that is placed above us in government?
I think an important thing to see is just WHY someone would choose to disobey the government. Is it because they are placing themselves as a higher authority? Is it because they wish to defraud the government? Is it for financial gain? THAT is what becomes very telling in this. -
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Are you telling them to violate their conscience?
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The Bible doesn't say to obey the gov't only if it does not violate your conscience. It says obey the gov't.
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Some have written books and they are nuts on all accounts, from their parenting advice, to the marriage advice, to their theology.....
Does that prove anything?
Neither did you.
It is carefully searching scripture for the biblical pattern. It is going before God to declare your vows. It is proclaiming your intentions to family and friends. It coming together, as Gen. 2 states, to start your own family.
Can you show from scripture they are wrong?
I haven't seen anything yet that does.
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I can't state it clearer.
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Can you show me in scripture one couple that was married in a church?
If you can't, how can you claim it is "more bible"?
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